The US has committed way more atrocities than either of those countries you listed. We literally just kidnapped a democratically elected leader without any due process a few months ago and everybody just plum forgot about it. We’ve started countless wars. We still have Guantanamo Bay operating. We orchestrated the genocide of millions via the Jakarta Method. We sanction and embargo countries with the EXPLICIT purpose (as admitted by the CIA) of inflicting as much human misery on the populace as possible. Our history with genocide of Natives, slavery, jim crowe, prison slavery … I’m sorry but the USA fucking sucks. I say that as a citizen who thinks we deserve better. The world deserves better. If that makes me a “tankie” … so be it. I will continue to fight for what’s right.
to the point that they choose to ignore or excuse all the crimes against humanity caused by other Imperialistic nations. Ex. Russia, China
Russia … ehh, I always argue that most Communists, because we are anti-imperialist, can see the reasons for Russia doing what Russia is doing, which is broadly reacting to NATO expansion. What I mean is, we can acknowledge how problematic Western Imperialism and NATO expansion close to Russia (or anywhere, really…) is. Nobody is really pro-Putin, very few. He’s a capitalist. We don’t like Capitalists.
It’s like the Cuban Missile Crisis. It’s always framed as “big, bad, and evil USSR puts nukes in Cuba because they’re big, bad, and evil!”. Nevermind that the US put nukes in Italy and Turkiye first, and rejected any peace talks with USSR. We can see the nuance and understand why Russia is doing Russia things.
As far as China … so many sinophobic arguments are easily debunked.
term has another meaning. You shouldn’t ignore it
I’ve been called a “tankie” far more than I’d like, I’m well aware of the meaning levied at me by ignorant people.
Look, you’re doing it! That’s the whatabout campism it is refering to!
I’m not here to argue which shitass empire is better (frankly all should collapse). Just introducing what a tankie means to regular people here to you to reduce tension you’re having over different definitions
Addressing your points from a perspective of an ML?
That’s the whatabout campism it is refering to!
Interesting. You never mentioned “whataboutism” in your “tankie” description, and you were allowed to insert whatever convenient definition you saw fit. I can see the goalposts are moving now that I’ve addressed your original points directly. Convenient that we’re never allowed to explain our position, lest the term “tankie” be thrown at us and summarily hand wave away anything we say.
Just introducing what a tankie means to regular people
Again, since I’m usually the one the term is being used against, I think I know what most “regular” people think the term means: which is usually just broadly anti-ML and anti-any-established-socialist-state because they’re [ignorantly and incorrectly] viewed as “Authoritarian”.
The US has committed way more atrocities than either of those countries you listed. We literally just kidnapped a democratically elected leader without any due process a few months ago and everybody just plum forgot about it. We’ve started countless wars. We still have Guantanamo Bay operating. We orchestrated the genocide of millions via the Jakarta Method. We sanction and embargo countries with the EXPLICIT purpose (as admitted by the CIA) of inflicting as much human misery on the populace as possible. Our history with genocide of Natives, slavery, jim crowe, prison slavery … I’m sorry but the USA fucking sucks. I say that as a citizen who thinks we deserve better. The world deserves better. If that makes me a “tankie” … so be it. I will continue to fight for what’s right.
Russia … ehh, I always argue that most Communists, because we are anti-imperialist, can see the reasons for Russia doing what Russia is doing, which is broadly reacting to NATO expansion. What I mean is, we can acknowledge how problematic Western Imperialism and NATO expansion close to Russia (or anywhere, really…) is. Nobody is really pro-Putin, very few. He’s a capitalist. We don’t like Capitalists.
It’s like the Cuban Missile Crisis. It’s always framed as “big, bad, and evil USSR puts nukes in Cuba because they’re big, bad, and evil!”. Nevermind that the US put nukes in Italy and Turkiye first, and rejected any peace talks with USSR. We can see the nuance and understand why Russia is doing Russia things.
As far as China … so many sinophobic arguments are easily debunked.
I’ve been called a “tankie” far more than I’d like, I’m well aware of the meaning levied at me by ignorant people.
Look, you’re doing it! That’s the whatabout campism it is refering to!
I’m not here to argue which shitass empire is better (frankly all should collapse). Just introducing what a tankie means to regular people here to you to reduce tension you’re having over different definitions
Addressing your points from a perspective of an ML?
Interesting. You never mentioned “whataboutism” in your “tankie” description, and you were allowed to insert whatever convenient definition you saw fit. I can see the goalposts are moving now that I’ve addressed your original points directly. Convenient that we’re never allowed to explain our position, lest the term “tankie” be thrown at us and summarily hand wave away anything we say.
Again, since I’m usually the one the term is being used against, I think I know what most “regular” people think the term means: which is usually just broadly anti-ML and anti-any-established-socialist-state because they’re [ignorantly and incorrectly] viewed as “Authoritarian”.
I think we’ve exhausted this debate here.