• Tolc@lemmy.world
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    I support authcom movements so yeah censorship of reactionaries is good.

  • алсааас [she/her]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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    From “Michael Parenti on the Cuban Revolution”:

    And those who demand instant perfection the day after the revolution, they go up and say “Are there civil liberties for the fascists?
    Are they gonna be allowed their newspapers and their radio programs, are they gonna be able to keep all their farms?"
    The passion that some of our liberals feel, the day after the revolution, the passion and concern they feel for the fascists, the civil rights and civil liberties of those fascists who are dumping and destroying and murdering people before. Now the revolution has gotta be perfect, it’s gotta be flawless.

    Class struggle will never cease until we have a world socialist republic, until no capitalist can threaten socialism anymore; until then, the suppression of reaction, the necessity to oppress the oppressors remains a fact…

    Another good one "Authoritarianism in Socialist Countries-Michael Parenti

    • stollen@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      Acknowledging that a revolution can improve society even if it isn’t flawless is one thing; actively promoting those “flaws” is another. I do believe that the humanity would ideally be acknowledged in the oppressors. Moreover, the benefits of free speech are greater to society than the individual.

  • thatsnomayo [he/him]@lemmy.mlB
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    It is difficult for me to imagine what “freedom of speech” is exercised by journalists working at bourgeois news outlets after being subjected to the brutal process of classist elimination that is the capitalist schooling & university system, the intellectual apparatus of publishing & now social media driven by algorithmic censorship, all just to stay out of poverty, with the potential to ally with said ruling class via asset wealth.

    To me, “freedom of speech” is not a laissez-faire attitude towards the press. Freedom of artistic expression is not letting people trace over drawings of trafficked children, like Neil Gaiman enthusiastically campaigned for on Tumblr and in court to his adoring young fans. Both are currently best experienced by writers + artists freed from a system based on deprivation & enclosure, enabled by a worker’s state that actually works on the preservation of cultural production. In the future much better than that will be possible, I would like something like a “free” internet where everyone can just see each other’s stuff.

    But first we need to deal with the people selling monkey torture videos, and Pierre Omidyar-type people running limited hangouts like the Intercept

    This was written in the bathroom while out for drinks with coworkers so excuse the brevity & lack of clarity I’m not proofreading

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      Don’t let the Right claim free speech, especially when they rarely even want it for anyone other than themselves.

      Most of these are inspired by Marx quotes.

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          Westoid is also 4chan slang. Based on XVIII racist ethymology (mongoloid).

          Am I being trolled? Is this what’s happening here?

          Edit: didn’t see you are on .ml, I keep forgeting to block the instance. Will do that now, sorry.

          • thatsnomayo [he/him]@lemmy.mlB
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            No, it isn’t. -oid suffix is also used by a lot of people to mean like, ,“pseudo”, like “humanoid”, this is something my funny brain-poisoned third worldist friends say. & when it’s derogatory it’s no more spicy than saying cracker.

            It doesn’t mean “western R word” it means “someone who is spiritually a Westerner or above”—many English-speaking Filipinos on Twitter with anime profile pictures are Westoids. It does have usefulness.

            I was called a Mongoloid in 4th grade due to not being hotdog colored so I wouldn’t find that funny.

  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I believe in freedom of speech for people not corporations or capital. Additionally I dont believe in freedom from consequences, you should have the right to be a shitlib but that doesnt mean I will want to talk to you. Also objectively people do not change their minds when shown information that contradicts their arguments.

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    I think as long as people are allowed to face the consequences of their speech, it is a self balancing system. I should be able to say black lives matter and Nazis should have to face the the community for saying they dont.

    The issue is when the system protects the Nazis and labels “woke” language as wrongthink

    If section 230 gets rewritten, the open internet is gone. When companies self censor in fear of the government, that’s a different form of government censorship.

    Look at this list of banned words, and tell me you think it would be good for the government to censor the internet.

    https://pen.org/banned-words-list

    • stollen@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      The benefits to society of free speech are really only realized if people who have incorrect/offensive/unpopular perspectives on important issues are able to express them without severe enough consequences that they choose not to out of fear. That could include community reaction, depending on what it is.

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    A Song by Florence Patton Reece

    Come all of you good workers
    Good news to you I’ll tell
    Of how that good old union
    Has come in here to dwell

    Chorus
    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?
    Which side are you on?

    My daddy was a miner
    And I’m a miner’s son
    And I’ll stick with the union
    Till every battle’s won

    They say in Harlan County
    There are no neutrals there
    You’ll either be a union man
    Or a thug for J.H. Blair

    Oh, workers can you stand it?
    Oh, tell me how you can
    Will you be a lousy scab
    Or will you be a man?

    Don’t scab for the bosses
    Don’t listen to their lies
    Us poor folks haven’t got a chance
    Unless we organize

    • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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      If anyone’s interested, UMW is currently running a water drive. I can share details of how you can help. But the mining companies, particularly the Danish ones, have escalated the war against the union since Hurricane Helene devastated the southern coal fields. They have been without clean drinking water for nearly 2 years know and two days ago several ecological disasters all occurred at once:

      1. A breaking of a slurry pond, unleashing 50k gallons of coal slurry into the Kanawha River in Nitro, WV
      2. A 10k gallon soybean oil spill into into the East River in Glen Lyn, VA (officials report this has had no impact on drinking water. The funny thing is this is because the water was already not drinkable)
      3. A 10k gallon nitric acid spill into the New River in Radford, VA causing two nearby elementary schools to be evacuated
      4. Flooding in eastern Kentucky where the aforementioned Harlan County is (I used to run cross country there about 3 times a year)

      I know one organization in particular that’s been doing a lot to help. The people who are most directly impacted by this live in places where the median income is ~$13k/yr and are themselves the most marginalized in these places. We also need help supporting the immigrant families who are the lifeblood of our community, as well as the Cherokee families who are particular risk of ICE detainment.

      It is also worth knowing that the recent reclassification of a border town to any town 250 miles from a border, coast, or international airport, means that not only does Glen Lyn have ICE raids and no drinking water, now they have BORTAC on the loose, too. Like the song says. Us poor folks haven’t got a chance unless we organize. That is why ICE is run the way that it is. They have to maintain the status quo through violence because the rising union movement in the United States is a threat to them. That’s why they’ve reclassified being in position of anarchocommunist zines as terrorism. They’re even trying to restrict what clothes you wear in public, again, under the guise of terrorism and enforcing it through the threat of violent detention.

      We want to do more, but we’ve been on the backfoot trying to regain control of the UMW in particular since the 1970s when the union bosses and the mine bosses made an alliance to ignore worker health to keep the mines open. These days though what the union lacks is support from other nearby people. The workers have control of their union again but the nearby towns don’t trust it anymore after its internal war. We’re working to fix that by bringing water, bread, and clothing to people regardless of who they are because deservingness hierarchies are bullshit.

      I’ll leave you now with some redneck slogans:

      All wealth is the product of labor
      Arm in arm, stronger together. Stronger than ever (this is my favorite)
      Buy worker owned products
      Child labor laws sent your kid to school, instead of a coal mine (this one in particular is big around here because we got our child labor laws after a war in Price’s Junction for them)
      Direct action beats inaction
      Don’t mourn, organize!
      Freedom, Democracy, Unions
      Happy Days are Here Again
      I want ham and eggs, not a pie in the sky
      It’s your union too