Some say it’s unethical to bring kids into this world, yet they don’t seem to be in any rush to leave it themselves.
Plus humanity and life have faced difficult situations before. None of this would have existed if they had instead just given up and said “this is too hard for kids to handle”.
Are you seriously suggesting that people who don’t want to bring kids into a world where they don’t see a path towards ensuring their well-being…should kill themselves if they’re serious about it?
No, I’m saying the ones who say it’s evil to bring kids into this world are hypocrites if they themselves want to keep existing in this world but think a child couldn’t possibly want to exist in it.
Like anti-natalist, not just child free. I don’t think anyone has a duty to have kids and think not wanting kids is a great reason to not have them. I even disagree with doctors who refuse to sterilize people who would rather remove that possibility than keep the risk (and think the doctors should be shielded from any consequences when a patient later regrets that decision). I’d also call it fair if you said some people have no business having kids.
But there’s some people online who take that position to the next level and say that anyone having kids these days is wrong to do so.
It’s pathetic, considering how existence itself was a struggle for the past 3 billion years, then gets easier over the last like 100k, and now there’s new challenges and anti-natalists want us to just give up because it is hard?
And inconsistent because they don’t want to give up themselves, but want everyone else to not give future generations a chance.
And I didn’t say they should kill themselves, but if they believe existence is so painful and hopeless that creating new life is wrong, why haven’t they? Though that “if they are serious about it” is the crux of my position: I believe they are being dramatic or overcompensating for those other assholes that insist having kids is our only purpose and that everyone should have them and gets in their business about not wanting kids themselves.
I also believe that kids born during a collapse will probably have an easier time handling it (emotionally) than those of us who got used to life before a collapse. It’s just hard to say if that will apply to kids born soon or if it won’t be the case for some decades yet.
Well, now that I’ve got the long and short of it, what you’re saying makes sense. Thanks for expanding. I didn’t have that context.
I don’t have any disagreements. I think a decision like whether or not to have children is ultimately up to the individuals making the children. I do think there are many oft overlooked factors that can make having kids unethical, but I’m drawing my line well before suggesting having kids is always evil. That thought heavily implies that humanity itself is unethical and should be ended, and I say it’s not our place to decide that (though we could obviously stand to be so much better than we are now).
Indeed! Good for you ignoring the doomers!
Kids are an absolute blessing. Like a bunch of best friend mini-me’s to enjoy life with.
Some say it’s unethical to bring kids into this world, yet they don’t seem to be in any rush to leave it themselves.
Plus humanity and life have faced difficult situations before. None of this would have existed if they had instead just given up and said “this is too hard for kids to handle”.
Are you seriously suggesting that people who don’t want to bring kids into a world where they don’t see a path towards ensuring their well-being…should kill themselves if they’re serious about it?
No, I’m saying the ones who say it’s evil to bring kids into this world are hypocrites if they themselves want to keep existing in this world but think a child couldn’t possibly want to exist in it.
Like anti-natalist, not just child free. I don’t think anyone has a duty to have kids and think not wanting kids is a great reason to not have them. I even disagree with doctors who refuse to sterilize people who would rather remove that possibility than keep the risk (and think the doctors should be shielded from any consequences when a patient later regrets that decision). I’d also call it fair if you said some people have no business having kids.
But there’s some people online who take that position to the next level and say that anyone having kids these days is wrong to do so.
It’s pathetic, considering how existence itself was a struggle for the past 3 billion years, then gets easier over the last like 100k, and now there’s new challenges and anti-natalists want us to just give up because it is hard?
And inconsistent because they don’t want to give up themselves, but want everyone else to not give future generations a chance.
And I didn’t say they should kill themselves, but if they believe existence is so painful and hopeless that creating new life is wrong, why haven’t they? Though that “if they are serious about it” is the crux of my position: I believe they are being dramatic or overcompensating for those other assholes that insist having kids is our only purpose and that everyone should have them and gets in their business about not wanting kids themselves.
I also believe that kids born during a collapse will probably have an easier time handling it (emotionally) than those of us who got used to life before a collapse. It’s just hard to say if that will apply to kids born soon or if it won’t be the case for some decades yet.
Well, now that I’ve got the long and short of it, what you’re saying makes sense. Thanks for expanding. I didn’t have that context.
I don’t have any disagreements. I think a decision like whether or not to have children is ultimately up to the individuals making the children. I do think there are many oft overlooked factors that can make having kids unethical, but I’m drawing my line well before suggesting having kids is always evil. That thought heavily implies that humanity itself is unethical and should be ended, and I say it’s not our place to decide that (though we could obviously stand to be so much better than we are now).
I appreciate the food for thought. Cheers.
They’re anything bus serious, but that does appear to be what they’re suggesting, yes. Typical pronatalist nonsense.