I’ve been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

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    1 year ago

    Just take a look at this question, all of the answers are from lemmygrad and hexbear users. You are not going to get a good answer from them because they’re the people you’re asking the question about.

    They are not hated they’re just annoying, no one really cares about their opinions the problem is is that they try and push their opinions on everybody else.

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      11 months ago

      no one really cares about their opinions

      So you don’t care so much that you can’t keep quiet about it. Lol The only annoying ones here are libs like you who want to turn lemmy into another dull reddit circlejerk and when no one cares about their wrong opinion, they get hysterical.

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      11 months ago

      The hexbear and lemmygrad users/posts I run across in All mostly remind me of those street corner preachers. I don’t care one way or another about their ideologies but it’s tiring that they always feel the need to shout it in your face.

      I don’t hate them but find them to be obnoxious and mostly cult-like.

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        11 months ago

        mostly cult-like.

        Very much like a cult actually. Often times the opinions they are espousing don’t actually make much sense even within their own ideology, mostly because their kids and they don’t actually understand what they’re talking about.

        It’s not communist ideology to claim that Tinnamon Square didn’t happen, it’s just China’s propaganda. It’s not the same thing.

        Equally criticizing China is not the same as criticizing communism as a concept. It’s perfectly acceptable to think that communism is good but what China did is bad, but these idiots won’t allow you to say that. If they actually understood what they were talking about they’d realized that, but they don’t because as you say they’re in a cult.

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      11 months ago

      Yeah, they have a very alternative interpretation of geopolitics and they’re loud about it. If there was a flat earth instance with users that spammed every physics thread there would be some grumbling just the same.

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        An liberal idealist who compares “geopolitics” to an exact science, and materialist Marxism to a belief in a flat earth, is like an religious obscurantist who attacks a nuclear physicist for lack of science. Do me a favor. Read some actual scholarly literature on politics, (liberal subreddits and CNN don’t count), before you open your mouth. You’re embarrassing yourself.

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          11 months ago

          Cool story. You’re right, it’s not an exact science, so why are you so sure about your perspective on it either? I think the answer is “identity”.

          As for my reading list, I’ve probably gotten further into Das Capital than you have, and it belongs on the side of electrification that it was written on.

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            I’ve probably gotten further into Das Capital than you have

            Apparently not far enough to be able to spell the German title correctly.

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              11 months ago

              Oh yeah, K. It has been a few years.

              I swear, I did read a good chunk of the thing. Maybe a third or so. And yes, it did make my eyes bleed.

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            11 months ago

            The answer is dialectical materialism. It’s not “my perspective.” These are objective laws of social development that were discovered by Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Italian bourgeois economists who discovered the existence of social classes with their own interests. Again, this is the development of materialist social thought, which has been going on for centuries. You with your meager knowledge cannot understand not only Capital, but even political economy for pre-schoolers. That makes your attempts to appear smarter than you are look pathetic.

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            11 months ago

            Capital is a thesis on economy, why would it help you on politics?

            Surely you’d know what it’s about if you’ve read it.

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        11 months ago

        Hexbear also weaponizes accusations of transphobia the same way Israel weaponizes accusations of anti-semitism.

        Now Hexbear hasn’t done any genocide yet, but it does loove to talk about executing people, many and frequently.

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      Well, when I see a .ml user from here on out I’m not sure I’ll be able to give them the same sort of leeway.

      I had one of their users confirm they were racist. Then I saw that only the parts where our conversation was removed by mods, and not shit canning the user.

      You want people to like you, don’t lie down with racists.

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        11 months ago

        I concur about .ml. It’s been eye opening being on the receiving end of a homophobic rant by a moderator of their world news community implying I’m not queer enough. It wouldn’t surprise me that they’re racist, too. Bigots tend to subscribe to more than one strain of bigotry.

        I know it shouldn’t matter what people like that think, but I’d be lying if I said I’m not disappointed and dismayed. I’ve survived so many things and had a long hard road to self-acceptance. It’s disgusting to be invalidated by someone who likely has more than I’ve ever had.

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          Middle class white gay men could use their privilege to help out the rest of the lgbtq community instead of being right wingers, but then that would require examining their privileges, and we can’t have that.

          So pointing out those privileges and how different rights affect different subsections of the community differently because of those privileges is homophobic./s

          Fuck off.

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            This is exactly why the only gays I have the time and energy for have to have some melanin in them. Black, Latino, indigenous, it don’t matter to me from there but you can’t be a hwhite gay and expect to just chill with me anymore; not without HARDCORE vetting. I’m talking “six months to two years worth of figuring out if you’re some kind of narc, some kind of #alllivesmatter queer(they exist), or some other kind of malevolent settler-queer” hardcore vetting.

            I don’t spend an IOTA of my energy on these three-no’s-on-they-grindr-profile-assed settlers anymore; not with all the crybullying about “reverse racism” and all these other fuckboy games they’d rather play than actually do any kind of meaningful work on themselves or the way they navigate the world.

            Required reading: x

            As several scholars have noted, contemporary gay life is marked by high levels of racism directed towards gay men of color by gay white men, with much of the racism manifesting itself as negative sexual attitudes towards, and sexual exclusion or fetishization of, non-white men (Armstrong 2002; Bérubé 2001; Epstein 1996; McBride 2005; Tenunis, 2007). After examining online personal ads and interviewing gay men, Robinson (2015) found that gay white men often exclude gay men of color as potential sexual partners while denying that their racial preferences are racist in nature.

            Despite gay white men’s insistence that sexual exclusion was not racism but rather personal preference, and that these personal preferences have nothing to do with racism, Collander and his colleagues (2015) found that attitudes toward sexual exclusion were related to almost every identified factor associated with racist attitudes in general.

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              11 months ago

              I’m white and Asian but look fairly white and you wouldn’t believe(well, you probably would) the fucking shit I hear from white lesbians and trans people too. They’re much better than gay men overall but holyyy shit.

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          I used to be confused when right wing nutjobs would say that the left is Racist, or Homophobic, or bigoted in general, it would make me confused as that wasn’t my experience and it’s not baked into left wing ideology. Hell, I didn’t really see it on reddit when I was there (the hate was from right wingers or gatekeepers).

          Then I came here. Nice place in general. Waaaay better users than reddit as a whole. But now I know where the RWNJs got the idea.

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            Ain’t that the truth! I will say during my tenure on reddit, I heard of CTH and thought to myself, “I ultimately support a similar vision for our future, how bad can it be?” I was shocked to find one of the most exclusionary, bigoted dens of filth I’d seen outside of places like r/T_D

            Ableist and bigoted language abounded, it was impossible to engage because they’d immediately bristle when anyone they perceived as beneath them wandered in.

            I see a lot of the same things here. It’s really disappointing to us leftists who actually want to effect change. No one will listen to people like that. Hopefully they’re just kids who grow out of … whatever this is.