Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.

  • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    66·
    14 hours ago

    Pop quiz though, how many times did the USSR offer to ally against the Nazis with Poland and who torpedoed that?

    Minor historical detail really.

        • rockerface🇺🇦@lemmy.cafeEnglish
          34·
          10 hours ago

          So… still USSR, represented by Molotov eventually deciding to side with Nazis. Really unsure how it’s Poland’s fault, as you implied previously

          • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            92·
            10 hours ago

            That is such a ridiculous take even British historians disagree with you.

            Are you interested in understanding history and trying to learn from it?

            There were many talks, the British and French governments refused to commit, prefering to let the Nazis kill Slavs. They told the Polish government that despite Hitler loudly saying how he was going to kill Slavs and take their land this would not happen. The USSR said they would fight, first in Czechoslovakia when it was annexed, second when the Nazis were building up forces on Poland’s boarders. Both times they needed permission to send armies through (and later in obvs) Poland.

            The polish government, being capitalist shitbags, were terrified of a revolution and denied this. Preferring to take their chances with Hitler and the dubious guarantees of the British. This worked out famously well for them.

            The ussr, having been a nation of serfs 20 years ago, and being unable to fight alone abandoned the talks that were being deliberately sabotaged for a NAP to buy time. Literally the same strategy as the UK yet somehow this is an example of the USSR being evil? Despite this being their backup backup plan.

            Framing it as the evil USSR carving up Poland with Hitler is not just subtly wrong, it’s almost the opposite of reality.

              • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
                41·
                3 hours ago

                It is okay to be categorically wrong about a historical time period. It wasn’t Molotov in that phase. Molotov replaced Litvinov, who was the foreign minister of the USSR until 1939. Litvinov was the proponent of allying with the West against Germany. (For what it is worth Litvinov likely would’ve signed the Pact with Germany anyway.) But Stalin supported him, and even after being dismissed wasn’t even disgraced.

                The important subsequent development here is that Britain and France then actively tried to support Finland against the USSR during the Winter War while still technically at war with Germany, who was also supporting Finland. The Phoney War was a real thing that played out, after all.

                Unless these are too minor of details.