Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.
Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.
as an anarchist who has organised with meatspace MLs, the topic of Stalin never comes up on its own. it comes up online more often because we’re not doing anything more important than just talking.
Stalin comes up in meatspace when some liberal confronts an ML and demands to know if they’re ‘Stalinist’ and what they think of the ‘Holomdor’. then the ML explains how ‘Stalinism’ isn’t a thing, they primarily read Marx, Engels and Lenin, and how Stalin was the leader of a team not a dictator and even the CIA’s own profile on him says exactly that, and then explain the ongoing threats the Soviet security state was protecting against and the cultural and economic trauma of losing 15% of their population in World War II, and the climatological history of the Southern regions and how the famine impacted more than just Ukraine and how famines were common in the region, and how the Ukrainian kulaks, protesting that their lands were being given to the serfs, burned crops and equipment and salted the land, and how famines were ended in the region under the USSR, and then ask the liberal if they care about famines under capitalism.
then the liberal says ‘yeah but Stalin was basically Hitler’ and then we in this group of anarchists, ML(M)s and syndicalists chase this fucking wrecker out into the street so we can get back to work.
i think any strong opinion on Stalin as an individual is already wrong, because you’re falling for the Great Man of History fallacy. i think Stalin is irrelevant unless you’re an ML cadre who needs to learn from the successes and mistakes of the USSR, but i think the history of the USSR is also important to any communist.
when you see an ML defending Stalin, it’s almost always because someone is criticising MLs based on an uninformed claim about Stalin, or they’re criticising Stalin from an uninformed position. and i don’t blame them: i’m all for criticising mistakes, but we don’t need to make shit up to do that.
i get that as anarchists we’re suspicious of statist leaders, but i don’t get why it’s so hard to understand that statists would defend a communist state. even if you see them enemies, you would benefit from reading their theory to understand their position rather than going ‘uhhh, why do statists defend states so much? must be they can’t read, or they’re just stu~pid lol must be because they have daddy issues lol’
“No the Katyn Massacre was good actually because…”
Listen, foolish one, historically these Stalin worshippers will use you to install their vanguard party and immediately turn around and kill you for anarchist dissent. Learn from past mistakes and stop trusting autocratic morons. Even when they say “no bro totally trust me bro solidarity bro” it is nothing but a lie. Have fun with Красный Террор два: Электрический бугалу!
no one says this
The closest I have seen is ‘Are we to believe SS death squads that they found the evidence for it in 1943?’
So, not a good thing, and possibly just more Nazi shit, further not good.
I’ve spoken quite a bit about Katyn, and have not really seen any Marxist saying “the soviets definitely did it” and “that’s a good thing.” Katyn gets pinned on the Soviets because Goebbels reported on it and it became a useful story, but the execution method was distinctly Nazi, ie killing men, women, and children from behind into mass graves. The ammunition was German-produced in 1941, and the rope used to bind the hands of the victims was German made.
The Soviets absolutely killed Polish soldiers, but the character of their involvement was not anywhere close to what the Nazis reported.
You haven’t heard anyone say this, you haven’t talked to every tankie in existence. I have heard someone say it, and yes they were dumb but of course that goes without saying since they were tankies who think the vanguard party will actually “dissolve on its own when the time comes” LMAO as if.
But more importantly is the whole “hey dummy they’re going to kill you next like they’ve historically done” part. Don’t help hopeful autocrats, they are not “on our side” because “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” The enemy of my enemy is also my enemy when they’re just going to kill me next.
You might want to pick one
One of that things the CIA had to explain is that enormous, even dictatorial personal power isn’t necessarily the same thing as absolute and unchallenged power. Their power bases are dependant on support from others, and that support isnt guaranteed, that’s just the reality of being electrically charged meat with social structures.
So US politicians would come to power believing Stalin could do literally anything he wants and all you have to do is convice one man and then the CIA would explain that some things you want him to do would result in Beria or whoever launching a coup to seize power for themselves.
TL;Dr some people believe dictators can do whatever they want when in reality all power structures are based what people will accept without violent reprisal
That doesn’t mean they aren’t a dictator, it just means pretending one person holds all power and blame is naive
All I’m hearing from that is in meatspace the mls you meet defend Stalin?
And after browsing your history, you uh seem to go and bat for statist mls more often than you ever fight for or promote anarchism… not to start on the HexBear emojis.
what is the charge? using an emoji? a perfect Hexbear emoji?
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not my fault they have so many good emoji
Lmao you sound like a cia interrogator going through someones posts while they’re handcuffed to a chair naked
everybody you know is cia. your cat? cia. your mom? cia. that rash you got on your privates after fucking that bottle you found on the ground? also cia.
My cat doesn’t post nonsense on the internet
My mom however…
just you, then?
hey, you need any tips on getting rid of that rash, I know a good cia agent who can write you a prescription.
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