cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7760707

“Death to Germany because they say their reason for existing is to support ‘Israel’[1]? That’s genocidal against Germans.”

Sorry, but I don’t care about your colonizer fragility.

amerikkka germany-cool eu-cool isntrael qin-shi-huangdi-fireball


  1. Not a joke, they call this “Staatsräson”. ↩︎

    • ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
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      White people can be racist against white skin people cause the concept of race is social construct designed by oppressors to colonize and oppress anyone.

      Ireland was colonized by the British since the early 12th century. Irish people have faced inherent power systems that was only in favor of the British.

      “Whiteness emerged in the colonial period,” she notes. “Before that there were Normans and Saxons and Irish, and various assorted people, but there weren’t whites as such.”

      In what way does whiteness influence our thinking? “Everywhere European colonialism happened – and it happened in Ireland too – there were certain ideas, concepts and categories that got sent out to the world. There was a ranking of peoples, and part of the idea of colonialism was that European peoples were the vanguard of the human race: scientifically, technologically, aesthetically, morally, philosophically, politically.

      “Whiteness is a historical formation. You can talk about the Irish experience in very particular terms because they were coming in to the labour market at the lowest of the low. They weren’t included in the club of whiteness in the beginning, but have had a particular experience in colonial migration and the labour market because they were at least seen as European, and so were able to make the shift that I think is harder for African-Americans today or people from Latin America or Asia.”

      https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/unthinkable-are-irish-people-becoming-less-black-1.2453237

      Or how Eastern Europeans faced violence during Brexit.

      One of the most concerning aspects of the study was the reports from the young people on the increasing levels of racism and xenophobia in their neighbourhoods since the Brexit Referendum. This had changed the way they felt about their neighbourhoods and the UK- and was a trigger point for some to think about moving, perhaps to another country. Half of the young people in the study said they have seen more racism and discrimination since the Brexit vote and over 75% said they experienced personal attacks, from verbal abuse, being told to ‘go back’ to their country or being called names, such as ‘terrorist’, ‘prostitute’ or ‘bin scrappers’.

      For young people who think of Britain as their home, these experiences are deeply distressing - many told about the disruption to their sense of identity, like Arthur: “I moved here when I was six years old, and even though I speak English with a British accent, as a result of using the language for over 11 years, when people find out I am Polish, I often face racism and discrimination. I find that I belong as long as no one finds out y nationality.”

      The rise in hate crime rates was put at 41% by a Home Office report in the year immediately after the Brexit vote, with 5468 incidents recorded. This is likely the tip of the iceberg- young people said they do not normally report incidents, as teachers or police would not treat these incidents seriously- possibly because they are white. As over 500 young people, half of the participants, described incidents they were victims of or they witnessed, the evidence shows that being white is not a protective factor for young people from migrant background living in post-Brexit Britain. To protect themselves, young people said they started avoiding speaking their home language in public, learnt to put on a local accent or tried to ‘blend in’ through the clothes they wore or their appearance. Fears of discrimination and attacks leads young people to deny who they are and their multicultural identity.

      https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eastern-europe-brexit_uk_5accc2f5e4b0152082fdd6c8?ec_carp=7211846813776112354

      Nigel Farage’s very racist Reform Party has a legitimate shot at forming the next UK government. Nigel Farage has gone on the record displaying their hatred for Eastern Europeans.

      Farage made his bold claim during a Wednesday morning broadcast, questioning host Nick Ferrari directly. ‘If I said to you that swans were being eaten in Royal Parks in this country, that carp were being taken out of ponds and eaten in this country by people who come from cultures that have a different… would you agree it happened, is happening here?’

      He later clarified his belief that the alleged perpetrators were Eastern Europeans from nations where such practices might be culturally acceptable. The Reform UK leader framed the incident as evidence of broader cultural clashes brought on by mass migration, a theme central to his party’s 2025 platform.

      https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nigel-farage-caught-saying-eastern-europeans-are-eating-our-swans-in-royal-parks-what-did-he-mean/ar-AA1NguYf

      Which the hateful allegation of eating swans and carps is the same thing as JD Vance claiming that Haitians are eating cats and dogs.

      Or how about Untermensch was a slur to mean to anyone of Eastern European descent.

      It was mainly used against “the masses from the East”, that is Jews, Roma, and Slavs (mainly ethnic Poles, Belarusians, Czechs, Ukrainians, Russians and Serbs).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch

      The Aryan master race conceived by Adolf Hitler and the other Nazis graded humans on a scale of pure Aryans to non-Aryans (who were viewed as subhumans).[10] At the top of the scale of pure Aryans were Nordic-type Germans and other Nordic-Aryan Germanic and Northern European peoples, including the Dutch, Scandinavians, and the English.[10] Latins were held to be somewhat inferior, but were tolerated; and the French were thought to have a suitable admixture of Germanic blood.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany

      Or Finnish people in immigrant to the US.

      Acrimony toward Finnish social radicals in Minnesota’s political milieu reached a head in the case of John Svan and 15 associates. On January 4, 1908, a trial was held regarding whether John Svan, a socialist, and several other Finnish immigrants would become naturalized United States citizens or not, as the process only was for “whites” and “blacks” in general and district prosecutor John Sweet maintained that Finnish immigrants were Mongols. Sweet linked the “socialistic ideology” of Finnish radicals with other collectivist East Asian philosophies to underscore his position that Finns were of an Asiatic frame of mind that was out of harmony with American thought. The judge, William Alexander Cant, later concluded that the Finnish people may have been Mongolian from the beginning, but that the climate they lived in for a long time, and historical Finnish immigration and assimilation of Germanic tribes (Teutons)—which he considered modern “pure Finns” indistinguishable from—had made the Finnish population one of the whitest people in Europe. If the Finns had Mongol ancestry, it was distant and diluted. John Svan and the others were made naturalized US citizens, and from that day on, the law forbade treating Finnish immigrants and Americans of Finnish descent as not white.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Finnish_Americans

      Italians had no protection under the law in the US for a period of time. Italians were considered to be white and we’re not given any protection.

      The 1891 lynching of eleven Italian men in New Orleans following the murder of police chief David Hennessy highlighted this precarious position. Though legally white, Italians were not fully accepted into the social privileges associated with whiteness. Public reactions to the lynching often portrayed Italians as inherently criminal and racially suspect.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Italian_Americans

      This is why racism is a social construct created by the ruling class. The definition of whiteness can and will change at the behest of the ruling class to justify oppressing anyone who doesn’t fit the the parameters of being white. Even though historically Irish, Eastern Europeans, Finnish, and Italians have skin color that is white and are not considered white.

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        White people can be racist against white skin people cause the concept of race is social construct designed by oppressors to colonize and oppress anyone.

        This is true, but the distinction between “white people” and “white skin people” makes it clear that the boundaries of “white people” are in effect defined by who is not a target of racism. It is, as you say, a social construct.

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                This makes no sense. A lot of non Anglo-Saxons are as white as Anglo-Saxons. As I said:

                the distinction between “white people” and “white skin people” makes it clear that the boundaries of “white people” are in effect defined by who is not a target of racism

                If I understand your point correctly, it’s that some people who are sometimes in the category of “white” can be victims of racism in some situations because they are on the margins of whiteness. That’s true, but it doesn’t make racism against white people real.

                Saying “racist” things about white people is not racist against those on the margins of whiteness who are sometimes conditionally white, such as Slavic people. You can be racist against Slavic people in certain contexts by saying racist things about Slavic people (and generally in those contexts Slavic people are not treated as “white” because that’s what “white” means), but not by saying “racist” things about white people (which isn’t possible).

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      You aint a real leftist unless you swallow every sabotage stance ever invented by COINTELPRO.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Hoc_Committee_for_a_Marxist-Leninist_Party

      [T]he time for building a multinational party has not yet come. Since Blacks are more advanced politically than whites (as are Latins, American Indians, etc.), the amalgamation of all groups in one party would result in fragmentation, disunity and the rapid dissolution of such a party. Racism is still so strong as to separate all but the most revolutionary of comrades. […] Blacks must work with Blacks, Latins with Latins, whites with whites.

      - An Undercover CIA Agent

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        The fact that “white” once excluded “Irish” under certain conditions doesn’t make anti-white racism real.

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      There is no such thing as anti-white racism.

      That’s fun when uttered in intentional irony, satirically mocking the implausibility, ignorance, bigotry, denialism, etc. But I suspect you are saying that in all seriousness.

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        I’m genuinely baffled that you think I or other people who have said the same thing are being ironic. As others have pointed out, racism requires power structures. Anti-white “racism” isn’t real because it has no power structure to enforce it.

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          not enough people know racism != bigotry

          edit: okay, i guess i have to expain.

          explanation of the difference between racism and bigotry

          what most people call racism is a form of bigotry. in this case what they are talking about is discrimination, hate speech, and hate action based on the socially derived construct of race. what race has been throughout the ages has changed. but some contributing factors to race are phenotype (skin tone, bone structure, hair color, eye color, other physical attributes), national identity, language spoken, and religious practice. in our current age of scientific racism, the most common factors for discrimination on race are phenotype and familial belonging through genetics.

          racism is influenced by bigotry, but does not require bigotry to sustain itself. usually racism is established through bigotry and then maintained through access to capital. what racism is is structural social imbalance based on race. racism requires a power shructure that favors one group based on the socially derived construct of race at the expense of another, or multiple other, groupings.

          one of the most common misconceptions is that whiteness is determined by skin tone. it is not. whiteness is access to privelege in a color-coded racist society. let’s start by using the racist structure that’s most familiar to me to explain. i live in the so-called united states. i have always live in majority minority neighborhoods. the fact that this is even possible, for me to have lived my entire life in majority minority neighborhoods, suggests a problem. my current neighborhood, my neighbors are all pale. they are, however, not white. they don’t get to be white because the primary determinant of whiteness in the so-called united states because they have accents and dress a little bit differently. for this, the determiners of whiteness, the police, harass them. in otherwords, the police use their access to violence to maintain a racial hierarchy that my neighbors don’t get to benefit from because they’re not white, they’re pale.

          this is what is meant when people say “you can’t be racist against white people.” if you could, that would mean they’re not white, because racism requires you having access to privelege in a racial hierarchy and whiteness is who benefits from that. you can be biggoted against white people. and in fact white people with proximity to poverty frequently endure bigotry for not performing whiteness correctly. often, because they’ve grown up in majority minority neighborhoods and have picked up social behaviors from people who do not get to be white, be that how they talk, how they dress, or even how the approach problem solving. if you’ve ever heard the term “white trash” you’ve heard a slur for poor white people that often the people around them take more offense to than they do.

          edit 2: boo me all you like. @LeninWeave@lemmy.ml and i rarely agree, and in this case we do, and i’m gonna celebrate that for us. go read a book or something