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- memes@lemmy.ml
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- memes@lemmy.ml
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7760707
“Death to Germany because they say their reason for existing is to support ‘Israel’[1]? That’s genocidal against Germans.”
Sorry, but I don’t care about your colonizer fragility.
Not a joke, they call this “Staatsräson”. ↩︎
I’m still not sure I understand. Are you saying that it doesn’t help the third world proletariat for stolen land to be returned to them and for them to have self-determination? Would it not help Palestinians to have their land returned and have control of their own nation?
No it doesn’t help the proletariat, it only changes who the oppressor is and arguably only makes it easier and cheaper in the long run for foreign imperial powers to economically exploit them.
This article honestly sums it up better than I ever could and isn’t too long, I’d recommend giving it a read.
Also, national liberation would simply not work in Palestine - after all, do you really believe that if Palestinians came out furiously waving their flags one morning, it’d make Israel (which is another national liberation state btw) feel bad and stop their genocide and settling?
Congratulations you have the same take as the corrupt as fuck Palestinian authority
what do you propose that we give up and just let ourselves be killed to the point of extermination ??
I know this isn’t hexbear but This is Ramadan and I see this shit
No human language can describe the anger I am feeling right now.
I’m sorry you had to see this kind of garbage comment. Embarrassing that we have “leftists” willing to say things like this.
Thank you comrade
I genuinely wonder where people like this come from cause it’s like they were designed in lab specifically to piss you off
I am not talking about opposing China or Vietnam because for years most western communists opposed china and Maoists in China do oppose pretty much every country in the world including countries like Cuba
I am specifically referring to them sayings Israel is a “national liberation” state ??? and the nonsensical implication that the Palestinian Proletariat should unite wit the Israeli proletariat to overthrow their perspective bourgeoisie
not a single communist in either Palestine or Israel would tell you this because it’s dumb
it’s the equivalent of telling Black people during the civil rights protests that they shouldn’t fight against segregation and instead should unite with the white working class
lmao, I feel this way about them all the time too. It’s baffling the takes people come up with sometimes.
Yes, this notion died a hard and final death for obvious reasons when the communist party of “Israel” split over it, right?
TBH people are still having this kind of take today. It’s all just chauvinism of all kinds disguised as “leftism”, I think.
what??
I meant that people still have chauvinistic “this BLM stuff is distracting us from class struggle” types of takes even recently. They do it with all kinds of issues, I think it’s just class reductionism basically.
How fucking hard is it for a communist (basis of which is in “workers have no nation”, emancipation of international proletariat, abolishment of commodity production + markets + wage labor, etc and thus imperialism that necessitates its upkeep, and the abolishment of bourgeois state) to side with the international proletariat rather than a bourgeois state/movement to establish a bourgeois state?
And how did that turn out? Racial discrimination has been abolished, right?
Also if it makes things better for you, ML’s do piss me off too.
lmao fake Marxist
supporting segregation ??? pfft
Israeli communists do side with Palestinian ones (Do you really think in whaat is like 80 years that no has thought of that ??? seriously ???
too bad Most other Israelis are literally fascists who want to commit genocide
and for your information there is a Palestinian bourgeoisie and they support working with Israel to create “peace”
there’s pretty much zero way for a communist state to be created here without a Palestinian state being established first
it can’t be abolished
yes if classes were abolished it would definitely be much less but it’d still exist
Lenin supported the Irish uprising of 1916
I have to give credit to the proper person. I stole this from @hamid@crazypeople.online.
I’m sorry, comrade.
thanks bro
Israel is a settler colonial state. That is the exact opposite of national liberation. What are you talking about?
national liberation does not only apply to anti-colonial movements
Okay, but that it still doesn’t apply to Isreal. Its a settler colonial state. They took the land from people who were already living there. How could you possibly call that “national liberation”?