• TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
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    balance power away from the 1% and back to the masses

    By installing a dictator…every time it’s attempted…

    Maybe not do that next time and try doing it from the bottom up instead of top-down🏴. It’s much more work to convince people that this is a solution and have them help willingly instead of forcing them to go along with it. We tried the Marxist-Leninist way dozens of times, let’s try the anarchist way. A capitalist boot or a communist boot on my neck makes no difference to me, it’s still a boot on my neck.

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      By installing a dictator…every time it’s attempted…

      Not entirely accurate. The collectivist movement in Spain did not involve installing a dictator, though it was vulnerable to being dissolved by outside forces, and this unfortunately did happen.

      Also look up MST in Brazil, which afaik involves no dictator and is not an authoritarian movement.

      There’s also the Sandinista (FSLN) party in Nicaragua, which still exists but would have probably been more successfully without the US trying to derail it every step of the way.

      I mean now that I think of it – the Zapatistas in Mexico.

      Not sure all these groups would use the term “communism,” but they all aim for a stateless, classless society, so I fail to see how that’s not a fundamentally communist goal.

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      Why did Napoleon take power after the French Revolution if Capitalism doesn’t have dictators every time a revolution occurs?

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          HE WAS AVERAGE HEIGHT FOR THE TIME PERIOD!!! (I miss overlysimplified so much)

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      Maybe not do that next time and try doing it from the bottom up instead of top-down🏴.

      Those have been tried, but they often tend to get liberated by the CIA. Or in some cases, the KGB / Red Army.

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        I’m certainly not advocating for toppling other countries’ governments, but honestly the fact that so many countries end up not being able to withstand the attacks from outside is kind of a mark against them.

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          Well, that’s the problem with bottom-up government, isn’t it? It is better in most ways, but the local empire will invade you at the first chance they get.

          If I remember correctly, the fall of the Paris commune to a Franco-German alliance was what led the early Marxists to embrace a centralised system. Of course, that brings its own problems, as power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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        Rojava is doing exactly as I suggested. Spreading the power out. It’s a rare bird among the many communist attempts. I was actually going to offer it up as an example.