• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    This is a concept as old as the Gnostics and expressed most vividly within the concept of the Holy Spirit.

    If anything was invented, it was the Catholic Clergy as spiritual interlocutor. The entire Catholic/Protestant schism is predicated on reformers in the early Protestant sects denying Papal Infallibility, the sacrament of Confession, and the need for a singular Apostolic Church to officiate over the blessing of Communion.

    And the Thirty Years War that followed was an attempt by the church to reassert control through military force, when dogmatic religious assertions failed to sway the public any longer.

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      Seems to me like their willingness to employ military force to assert their position should have disqualified them immediately from any association with Jesus or Jesus-related religious practices.

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      Certainly the notion of individualizing Christianity is as old as Christianity itself, but I would argue that the contemporary version of it is really pretty recent. Go back 50 years ago and even most US Baptist churches wouldn’t recognize the contemporary version of it.

      The concept that we have today really developed in the 80s and 90s.

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        Go back 50 years ago and even most US Baptist churches wouldn’t recognize the contemporary version of it.

        I’d strongly disagree. The 70s era Evangelical movement has enormous amounts in common with the modern movement. Largely as a result of Televangelism and the political entanglement between conservative politicians and the church.

        The Billy Graham Crusade would fit in just fine in the modern American church

        Go back 100 and you’ll find more space. But then you’re seeing all sorts of differences socio-economically.

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          I’m recalling that the Anabaptists had some pretty strong ideas about a personal relationship with Jesus. But, nobody really liked where they went with it.

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            The idea of Adult Baptism could really only occur during the Enlightenment, when people felt the ability to reason their way to their religious beliefs was more important than adhering to a mystical tradition