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حمید پیام عباسی@crazypeople.online to Memes@lemmy.ml ·
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Liberal Double Standards

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حمید پیام عباسی@crazypeople.online to Memes@lemmy.ml ·
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    1. What are Wagner doing in Africa? Guarding mines and shit. What was Azov doing in Eastern Uktaine before Russia stopped them? Slaughtering 8,000 people with the blessing of the nazi coup government.

    2. Spain being imperialist (imperialistic is not a word) doesn’t make, for example, Morocco imperialist. You seem to think I’m saying Russia is a lesser imperial power. You are wrong: Russia is not an imperial power at all.

    3. You, emphatically

    You guys sound like liberals defending the invasion of Iraq.

    Oh, the US/NATO military venture designed to sieze control of a country’s resources by manufacturing a conflict with a government headed by a guy we put there in the first place?

    Yeah, imagine defending something like that. If this was 2002 your gullible ass would be calling me a Saddam Lover. But of course, now that we’ve already fucked up Iraq, that war can join the list of US crimes that liberals were definitely, totally for realsies always against from the beginning. You people are as craven as you are predictable. Always opposing every war after it’s too late and supporting every war when it actually matters.

    In 5 years or so when we get 9/11 2: This Time it’s Ukranian, you’ll say"Everyone knew that starting the Ukraine War was a bad and criminal idea, but this time it’s different! This time we need to support (a puppet government in the Philippines doing ethnic cleansing against Chinese people or something) against big, evil, fascist Gyna, who attacked for no reason! Democracy itself is on the line!" Over and over every few years, never learning, until we’re all dead.

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      My gullible ass is old enough to actually have been out in the street protesting against US/NATO and the invasion of Iraq back in 2002. You’re defending Putin’s war as if it’s justifiable by Azov or by Euromaidan. And arresting and making Tymoshenko a political prisoner or breaking the Budapest Memorandum is of course all reasonable, right?

      Btw, imperialistic: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imperialistic

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        My gullible ass is old enough to actually have been out in the street protesting against US/NATO and the invasion of Iraq back in 2002

        And you still didn’t learn your lesson about trusting the US government when they tell you it’s time to start some shit with their manufactured villain of the week? That’s inexcusable dude, I was 7 and I learned that.

        Putin’s war

        So which is it you believe: that the Donbas Republics had no right to call for help against a nazi coup government that was slaughtering them.by the thousands, that the nazi coup government was somehow tricked into doing ethnic cleansing by devious Putin, or that the ethnic cleansing didn’t happen at all? Any of the three is equally disgusting.

        And arresting and making Tymoshenko a political prisoner or breaking the Budapest Memorandum is of course all reasonable, right?

        I don’t know or care about this one rando you’re talking about when you’re supporting a bunch of Israeli-trained nazis killing eight thousand people for speaking a language they don’t like, and endlessly opposing the army that’s stopped it. Stop caping for nazis.

        This is the puppet government’s national hero. When you support them, you support this.

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          Former democratically elected president of Ukraine is a “rando”. Ok, nice chatting with you.

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            You too, Holocaust supporter.

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              No base in reality, just baseless insults and imagination. Only there you can justify supporting the actions of a fascist.

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                You were saying, Holocaust supporter? If you’re going to keep running your useless nazi mouth, address the ethnic cleansing of the Donbas.

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                  How’s it like being a fascist collaborator? Take care not to accidentally fall out a window and be sure not to even hold up a blank piece of paper.

                  “Ethnic cleansing of the Donbas” now you’re literally parroting Putin. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.

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                    I guess mainstream Western press were also parroting Putin, until Feb. 24, 2022. Previously:

                    • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
                    • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
                    • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
                    • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
                    • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
                    • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
                    • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
                    • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
                    • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
                    • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
                    • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
                    • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
                    • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
                    • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
                    • Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
                    • Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
                    • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

                    Previously:

                    NATO expansion:

                    • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
                    • Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
                    • Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
                    • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
                    • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

                     
                    NATO in general:

                    • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
                    • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
                    • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
                    • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
                    • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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                    Whoa, you mean the time wizard Putin somehow filmed this CNN segment from over a decade ago? https://youtu.be/sK_5KthQTHk

                    Now you’re just doing nazi atrocity denial when confronted with evidence, as liberals love to do. I figured it would come to this, because these discussions always seem to, but it’s always disgusting to see. Say hi to Bandera for me when you arrive in hell, you Hitlerite freak.

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