The Great Wall and Hadrian’s Wall both served the same purposes:
Deterring raids and armed incursions, a purely military role
Marking the end of military control (eg. on the other side of this line you’re on your own)
Signaling than anything within those walls would be subject to taxation (the price of military protection)
Enabling signaling (chains of beacons/towers to warn in case of military invasions)
They were not designed to stop individual peasants or merchants. Those walls all had gates to let them in and out. In Frontiers of the Roman Empire, CR Whittaker goes through archaeological records to better understand Hadrian’s Wall and its role, and did not find any form of deterrence against migrants or any historical record showing any individual border control.
I am being condescending because you are being stubborn. I see no reason to be nice when you are speaking confidently about a topic you very clearly know nothing about, which happens to be one of my fields of expertise. You’d probably do the same if you were in my shoes, it is very frustrating to see misinformation spread on something you have academic knowledge of. If you are unwilling to learn and want to cling to your modern preconceptions of what a border is, then I must ask you to get the fuck out off radical leftist spaces and stop spreading your racist propaganda. You will never be welcome there as long as you hold those views.
People will stop calling you a racist when you stop acting like one by repeating racist talking points. It’s in your hands.
We have the means to feed everyone on the planet. We decided not to. You are this close to understanding imperialism and capitalism, but I’m afraid that from what we’ve witnessed so far, you don’t have the ability to work both of your neurons hard enough to understand it.
Is it that important to you that we ourselves live to see it?
Your previous comment here also mentioned “it won’t be anytime soon” somehow assuming that that means we can neglect to express the ideals of it?
Either humanity gets there, or we won’t. Some people will do whatever they can to make sure we get a closer. Because if we don’t ever get there, why even continue the species at all?
Is it that important to you that we ourselves live to see it?
Is to me.
The potential exists to sublimate to it in the duration of an afternoon or so.
And I do mean in a healthy way… not a tyrannical terrorising totalitarian way of “united”. No more of the divide-and-conquer ploys necessary, once sublimating to an egalitarian emancipation paradigm of abundance.
Whether it’s soon, later, or never, may depend on how many (and who) of us who cease seeing this as a spectator sport just washing over them. We can still mend this.
I hope you are right but i find that the desire to benefit can distract from thinking things trough.
Something i have also considered is that, if we somehow did it and can retire in a real enlightened human world, i would no longer belong. I was born and matured under the current system and that will continue to affect how i think and perceive the world even with my best intentions in mind.
I suspect that as long as we live we will carry some of the toxicity within us and only those born in the new world will truly be able to be free of it.
Call me realist but our sun will die in about 5 billion years taking earth with it.
The chance that the human species or any of our constructs/ideas wil survive that long or longer is immensely small considering we have only been around for 300.000 years. The chance we do that and somehow still care to divide ourselves into different nations and cultures is 0.
Call me realist but our sun will die in about 5 billion years taking earth with it.
Call me a dreamer, but in that time, maybe we can figure out how to preserve Sol as a type G main sequence yellow star. Not saying we necessarily should, nor that we would necessarily even have any need or want to. Just saying, that’s a long time, and a big enough margin for uncertainty in that natural fate not succumbing to some yet-to-be-invented intervention. ;)
The chance that the human species or any of our constructs/ideas wil survive that long or longer is immensely small considering we have only been around for 300.000 years.
Some evidence suggests we[homo-sapiens]'ve been around far longer. And what of who we were before that, and who we may become yet, in the branchy continuum of evolution. What we yet may manage to preserve remains to be seen. Even trans-temporal conscious/technological shenanigans, transcends this mere “chance”. Perhaps it better we do not leave these things solely to chance.
The chance we do that and somehow still care to divide ourselves into different nations and cultures is 0.
If rounding. But not by much rounding required at all… beyond astronomical odds. Yup. Or so it seems from here. We may be in error with our estimations.
Existential tautologies make for uncompelling fallacies, contrary to the confidence with which you swing that cudgel to try win your argument. Self fulfilling prophecies too… more than just fallacious, are farcical. A lot of tragedy there. I hope we each and all get the healthy distance to see the comedy in that, rather than perpetrate and suffer it.
The Great Wall and Hadrian’s Wall both served the same purposes:
They were not designed to stop individual peasants or merchants. Those walls all had gates to let them in and out. In Frontiers of the Roman Empire, CR Whittaker goes through archaeological records to better understand Hadrian’s Wall and its role, and did not find any form of deterrence against migrants or any historical record showing any individual border control.
I am being condescending because you are being stubborn. I see no reason to be nice when you are speaking confidently about a topic you very clearly know nothing about, which happens to be one of my fields of expertise. You’d probably do the same if you were in my shoes, it is very frustrating to see misinformation spread on something you have academic knowledge of. If you are unwilling to learn and want to cling to your modern preconceptions of what a border is, then I must ask you to get the fuck out off radical leftist spaces and stop spreading your racist propaganda. You will never be welcome there as long as you hold those views.
Random thing but thanks for writing all this. The other person is probably beyond saving, but the history trivia is nice.
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People will stop calling you a racist when you stop acting like one by repeating racist talking points. It’s in your hands.
We have the means to feed everyone on the planet. We decided not to. You are this close to understanding imperialism and capitalism, but I’m afraid that from what we’ve witnessed so far, you don’t have the ability to work both of your neurons hard enough to understand it.
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Is it that important to you that we ourselves live to see it?
Your previous comment here also mentioned “it won’t be anytime soon” somehow assuming that that means we can neglect to express the ideals of it?
Either humanity gets there, or we won’t. Some people will do whatever they can to make sure we get a closer. Because if we don’t ever get there, why even continue the species at all?
Is to me.
The potential exists to sublimate to it in the duration of an afternoon or so.
And I do mean in a healthy way… not a tyrannical terrorising totalitarian way of “united”. No more of the divide-and-conquer ploys necessary, once sublimating to an egalitarian emancipation paradigm of abundance.
Whether it’s soon, later, or never, may depend on how many (and who) of us who cease seeing this as a spectator sport just washing over them. We can still mend this.
I hope you are right but i find that the desire to benefit can distract from thinking things trough.
Something i have also considered is that, if we somehow did it and can retire in a real enlightened human world, i would no longer belong. I was born and matured under the current system and that will continue to affect how i think and perceive the world even with my best intentions in mind.
I suspect that as long as we live we will carry some of the toxicity within us and only those born in the new world will truly be able to be free of it.
This too can mend.
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Call me realist but our sun will die in about 5 billion years taking earth with it.
The chance that the human species or any of our constructs/ideas wil survive that long or longer is immensely small considering we have only been around for 300.000 years. The chance we do that and somehow still care to divide ourselves into different nations and cultures is 0.
Call me a dreamer, but in that time, maybe we can figure out how to preserve Sol as a type G main sequence yellow star. Not saying we necessarily should, nor that we would necessarily even have any need or want to. Just saying, that’s a long time, and a big enough margin for uncertainty in that natural fate not succumbing to some yet-to-be-invented intervention. ;)
Some evidence suggests we[homo-sapiens]'ve been around far longer. And what of who we were before that, and who we may become yet, in the branchy continuum of evolution. What we yet may manage to preserve remains to be seen. Even trans-temporal conscious/technological shenanigans, transcends this mere “chance”. Perhaps it better we do not leave these things solely to chance.
If rounding. But not by much rounding required at all… beyond astronomical odds. Yup. Or so it seems from here. We may be in error with our estimations.
You’re a naive-realist. You think what you think is reality.
Stubbornly wilfully ignorant too.
And a [dangerous] fool, seemingly oblivious to self fulfilling prophecies.
None of this is intrinsic and irrevocable.
Existential tautologies make for uncompelling fallacies, contrary to the confidence with which you swing that cudgel to try win your argument. Self fulfilling prophecies too… more than just fallacious, are farcical. A lot of tragedy there. I hope we each and all get the healthy distance to see the comedy in that, rather than perpetrate and suffer it.