Why, so they can condescendingly pretend to be acting out of a sense of stoic necessity when they continue to do all the same things as the Republicans?
Democrats were and will be happy to continue to bomb all trans ppl out of existence, as long as they’re not from white countries.
Democrats were staunchly against even gay marriage… Hillary Clinton was against it until 2008. They’re an opportunistic controlled opposition party and will be against your rights as soon as it becomes expedient.
Ah yes, people who oppose genocide are just stomping their feet and throwing a tantrum over nothing.
Democrats presented you with a prisoner’s dilemma and instead of standing for humanity. you unhesitatingly threw every Palestinian to the wolves, man woman and child, like a Good German. You supported genocide. You voted for genocide. You are a genocide supporter. You are a fascist, whether you choose to accept it or not.
Kamala? Be serious. If you support dems you support genocide, end of. You’re fine with sacrificing the lives of countless Palestinians to keep yourself safe and comfortable, you stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump.
Whether it’s happening quietly or out in the open the effect is the same. Look at all the anti-trans laws that were passed under Biden. The rhetoric is only thing that has changed.
You literally voted for it and now you’re trying to pretend there’s nothing you could have done. You Vichy collaborators make me fucking sick.
There was no option to save Palestine
Not by continuing to support the same people destroying it. That should’ve been your indication that it was time to stand up and stop enabling these fucks! They only felt safe telling you to suck it up and support genocide in the first place because acquiescent toadies like you indulged them on every other rightward lurch, never imposing any consequences!
There was an option to save transpeople in America. That was Kamala.
Kamala, the cop who put trans women in men’s prisons and promised nothing? That’s your salvation? The party that has shown it believes in nothing and will sacrifice absolutely anyone? You must be as blind as you are spineless not to see that collaborating with them will bring you no protection whatsoever. Come next election, they’ll cut trans people loose and justify it by saying it was to “protect” whatever group is next on their chopping block. Your gormless ass has laid the groundwork for your own annihilation as soon as they find it politically convenient.
You didn’t take it. You sacrificed me in order to satiate your ego
First they came for the Palestinians, and you cried “Sure, they can die! Do whatever you want to them, just don’t hurt me!” Your pathetic display of selfishness in the moment when it mattered most has marked you in the eyes of history and humanity as yet another nazi.
“They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”
-A.R. Moxon
Nice antifascist party you got there, I’m sure they’ll never turn around and eat your face. Enjoy the fruits of your cowardice, kapo. I hope all the dead Palestinian kids were worth it to you.
Literally there was no “Spare Palestine” option on the ballot
There is no viable political party in America that doesn’t want to destroy Palestine, however I recognize that Trump is more excited to do so than the Dems
Trump banned Transpeople from owning passports, Kamala wouldn’t have done that.
John Fetterman had a stroke and became a Conservative. He is a Democrat in name only. But I think you knew that before you picked him as your example of a typical Democrat because you exercise in dishonesty.
That’s a fatal indictment of the people making the ballot, not an excuse to consign millions to the flames
“I had no choice” didn’t work at Nuremburg 1 and it’s not gonna work at Nuremburg 2
Kamala would have simple done nothing while states did it instead, if history is any indication
The fact that you cannot imagine any action outside of filling a bubble in a paper is a fatal indictment of you, not an accurate assessment of your actual options.
you blew it for me
Oh, do I have that power? Wow, that makes it even more inexcusable that the Democrats wouldn’t even not commit genocide in order to win my support. That was all they had to do, and they couldn’t resist the taste of blood. And you put your hope in these people? Dumb as hell.
John Fetterman was always like this, he chased a black jogger with a shotgun as mayor and still got the party’s support. Now he’s cheering on the gestapo and they haven’t done anything to discipline him. They still let him be in the party because they Do. Not. Care.. He’s useful to them to acclimate their base to further fascism. Again, you put your hope in these nazi pricks? Dumb as hell
Anyway, the genocide you supported will hang over your fascist head until the day you die, so have fun with that.
While I really do appreciate this attitude and find it more practical than most, there’s a fundamental hangup that has to be addressed if we, collectively, are going to destroy fascism: it needs to be understood that this is imperialism turned inwards, that American imperialism has always been bipartisan, and that it can never be destroyed by giving our support to it’s perpetrators. From Aimee Cesaire’s Discourse on Colonialism:
First we must study how colonization works to decivilize the colonizer, to brutalize him in the true sense of the word, to degrade him, to awaken him to buried instincts, to covetousness, violence, race hatred, and moral relativism; and we must show that each time a head is cut off or an eye put out in Vietnam and in France they accept the fact, each time a little girl is raped and in France they accept the fact, each time a Madagascan is tortured and in France they accept the fact, civilization acquires another dead weight, a universal regression takes place, a gangrene sets in, a center of infection begins to spread; and that at the end of all these treaties that have been violated, all these lies that have been propagated, all these punitive expeditions that have been tolerated, all these prisoners who have been tied up and interrogated, all these patriots who have been tortured, at the end of all the racial pride that has been encouraged, all the boastfulness that has been displayed, a poison has been instilled into the veins of Europe and, slowly but surely, the continent proceeds toward savagery.
And then one fine day the bourgeoisie is awakened by a terrific boomerang effect: the gestapos are busy, the prisons fill up, the torturers standing around the racks invent, refine, discuss.
People are surprised, they become indignant. They say: “How strange! But never mind — it’s Nazism, it will pass!” And they wait, and they hope; and they hide the truth from themselves, that it is barbarism, the supreme barbarism, the crowning barbarism that sums up all the daily barbarisms; that it is Nazism, yes, but that before they were its victims, they were its accomplices; that they tolerated that Nazism before it was inflicted on them, that they absolved it, shut their eyes to it, legitimized it, because, until then, it had been applied only to non-European peoples; that they have cultivated that Nazism, that they are responsible for it, and that before engulfing the whole edifice of Western, Christian civilization in its reddened waters, it oozes, seeps, and trickles from every crack.
Yes, it would be worthwhile to study clinically, in detail, the steps taken by Hitler and Hitlerism and to reveal to the very distinguished, very humanistic, very Christian bourgeois of the twentieth century that without his being aware of it, he has a Hitler inside him, that Hitler inhabits him, that Hitler is his demon, that if he rails against him, he is being inconsistent and that, at bottom, what he cannot forgive Hitler for is not the crime in itself, the crime against man, it is not the humiliation of man as such, it is the crime against the white man, the humiliation of the white man, and the fact that he applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of Algeria, the “(slur)” of India, and the “(slur)” of Africa.
Reducing harm is when you install a nazi junta in Ukraine and send endless bombs to the IDF rape army👍
I would have a shred more respect for you if you could just finish the sentence. You care about reducing harm…to yourself, at the expense of countless others. That’s it.
When Harris lost after a disastrous campaign trying to gain right-wing votes over they blamed their loss on us trans folks and threw us under the bus already. A democrat government is less bad domestically, don’t get me wrong, but only slightly. Look into the ratchet effect.
If you’re unsafe in your state and you can afford internal migration you might wanna look into moving to a blue state with decent protections, unfortunately the federal government won’t give a shit. Stay safe out there.
That’s right gotta have a veneer of legitimacy that you chuds can hide behind and do your mental gymnastics to justify imperialism. Trump just doesn’t give you lot anything to work with.
We aren’t accelerationists, nor do we think Trump is a force for good. Trump is a symptom of a broader, systemic problem.
Welcome to Lemmy.ml the idea is that trump accelerates the decline of the west, which is more important than anything else here, including the lives of Palestinians, Iranians, Venezuelans etc.
Nobody believes this. We believe that the DNC is not meaningfully better for Palestinians, Iranians, and Venezuelans, because both parties are imperialist.
The argument is that it’s not as bad when Trump does it because “at least he’s not a hypocrite”.
Nobody has made this point. People have said that liberals hate Trump more because he’s more naked about his bloodthirst, because liberals do the same shit with a polite face to it.
Social issues in the west (lgbtq rights, worker’s rights) have no significance at all here, if anything the worse the proletariat has it in the west, the sooner they will instigate or at least support a revolution that will hail in the era of global communism, that seems to be the thinking here.
While true that worsening conditions does radicalize people, nobody here is advocating for strategically acting to make things worse, ie accelerationism, but instead organizing.
Edit: the other option is that it’s a far right US or Russian psyop because it’s hard to tell the difference but I say that jokingly as a lot of people posting do seem to care. Just not about the west
Communists are neither far-right nor a Russian psyop.
The genocide in Gaza was enabled by the Biden administration and continues with Trump. Deceptive of you to pretend that the Democratic Party is better on this. The Biden administration vetoed ceasefire multiple times at the UN.
I didn’t suggest that the dems are better on this. Just that trumps regime doing the same thing is more accepted here. Are you suggesting that the situation would be better if a different US president was in place at that time?
Are you suggesting that the situation would be better if a different US president was in place at that time?
Not meaningfully, and that’s precisely the point. You’re arguing for contradictory stances from one comment to the next because to believe Democrats aren’t fascists too is logically inconsistent.
We do not accept the genocide, whether Trump, Biden, or Harris is in office. The situation would not be better with any of those 3 in office, because the genocide isn’t a personal preference of whoever sits in the White House but instead a systemic aspect of Israel’s settler-colonial project.
Are you mad? We absolutely need a Democrat take over of the house and senate
Why, so they can condescendingly pretend to be acting out of a sense of stoic necessity when they continue to do all the same things as the Republicans?
Fuck the democrats, Free Palestine
Because I’m trans and don’t consent to my rights being used as a bargaining chip do you can stomp your feet and stick it to the dems.
Lmao. THE DEMS ARE USING YOUR RIGHTS AS A BARGAINING CHIP ffs.
Democrats were and will be happy to continue to bomb all trans ppl out of existence, as long as they’re not from white countries.
Democrats were staunchly against even gay marriage… Hillary Clinton was against it until 2008. They’re an opportunistic controlled opposition party and will be against your rights as soon as it becomes expedient.
I’m trans, they’re right, you’re a spineless sack of shit
Ah yes, people who oppose genocide are just stomping their feet and throwing a tantrum over nothing.
Democrats presented you with a prisoner’s dilemma and instead of standing for humanity. you unhesitatingly threw every Palestinian to the wolves, man woman and child, like a Good German. You supported genocide. You voted for genocide. You are a genocide supporter. You are a fascist, whether you choose to accept it or not.
I didn’t support genocide. There was no option to save Palestine. Trump didn’t do it.
There was an option to save transpeople in America. That was Kamala. You didn’t take it. You sacrificed me in order to satiate your ego.
Kamala? Be serious. If you support dems you support genocide, end of. You’re fine with sacrificing the lives of countless Palestinians to keep yourself safe and comfortable, you stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump.
Trans people have been on the DNC chopping block for a while now. I hate to break that to you, but the Democrats won’t save us.
They aren’t actively hunting us
Whether it’s happening quietly or out in the open the effect is the same. Look at all the anti-trans laws that were passed under Biden. The rhetoric is only thing that has changed.
You literally voted for it and now you’re trying to pretend there’s nothing you could have done. You Vichy collaborators make me fucking sick.
Not by continuing to support the same people destroying it. That should’ve been your indication that it was time to stand up and stop enabling these fucks! They only felt safe telling you to suck it up and support genocide in the first place because acquiescent toadies like you indulged them on every other rightward lurch, never imposing any consequences!
Kamala, the cop who put trans women in men’s prisons and promised nothing? That’s your salvation? The party that has shown it believes in nothing and will sacrifice absolutely anyone? You must be as blind as you are spineless not to see that collaborating with them will bring you no protection whatsoever. Come next election, they’ll cut trans people loose and justify it by saying it was to “protect” whatever group is next on their chopping block. Your gormless ass has laid the groundwork for your own annihilation as soon as they find it politically convenient.
First they came for the Palestinians, and you cried “Sure, they can die! Do whatever you want to them, just don’t hurt me!” Your pathetic display of selfishness in the moment when it mattered most has marked you in the eyes of history and humanity as yet another nazi.
“They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”
-A.R. Moxon
Nice antifascist party you got there, I’m sure they’ll never turn around and eat your face. Enjoy the fruits of your cowardice, kapo. I hope all the dead Palestinian kids were worth it to you.
That’s a fatal indictment of the people making the ballot, not an excuse to consign millions to the flames
“I had no choice” didn’t work at Nuremburg 1 and it’s not gonna work at Nuremburg 2
Kamala would have simple done nothing while states did it instead, if history is any indication
The fact that you cannot imagine any action outside of filling a bubble in a paper is a fatal indictment of you, not an accurate assessment of your actual options.
Oh, do I have that power? Wow, that makes it even more inexcusable that the Democrats wouldn’t even not commit genocide in order to win my support. That was all they had to do, and they couldn’t resist the taste of blood. And you put your hope in these people? Dumb as hell.
Anyway, the genocide you supported will hang over your fascist head until the day you die, so have fun with that.
Are you seriously comparing voting for the less bad of two very bad options to personally carrying out a mass genocide?
Yeah, keep arguing with each other. That’s how you’ll defeat facism.
While I really do appreciate this attitude and find it more practical than most, there’s a fundamental hangup that has to be addressed if we, collectively, are going to destroy fascism: it needs to be understood that this is imperialism turned inwards, that American imperialism has always been bipartisan, and that it can never be destroyed by giving our support to it’s perpetrators. From Aimee Cesaire’s Discourse on Colonialism:
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The only harm you care about reducing is for yourself
Reducing harm is when you install a nazi junta in Ukraine and send endless bombs to the IDF rape army👍
I would have a shred more respect for you if you could just finish the sentence. You care about reducing harm…to yourself, at the expense of countless others. That’s it.
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You really think the blue genociders will give a shit about trans people?
Considering I wasn’t as blatantly under attack under Biden as I am under Trump
“I wasn’t personally affected before so everything was fine” lol standard liberal
When Harris lost after a disastrous campaign trying to gain right-wing votes over they blamed their loss on us trans folks and threw us under the bus already. A democrat government is less bad domestically, don’t get me wrong, but only slightly. Look into the ratchet effect.
If you’re unsafe in your state and you can afford internal migration you might wanna look into moving to a blue state with decent protections, unfortunately the federal government won’t give a shit. Stay safe out there.
Yeah, but they seem to be coming around
That’s right gotta have a veneer of legitimacy that you chuds can hide behind and do your mental gymnastics to justify imperialism. Trump just doesn’t give you lot anything to work with.
I can excuse genocide but I draw the line at not giving me an excuse to not care about it
BlueMAGA
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We aren’t accelerationists, nor do we think Trump is a force for good. Trump is a symptom of a broader, systemic problem.
Nobody believes this. We believe that the DNC is not meaningfully better for Palestinians, Iranians, and Venezuelans, because both parties are imperialist.
Nobody has made this point. People have said that liberals hate Trump more because he’s more naked about his bloodthirst, because liberals do the same shit with a polite face to it.
While true that worsening conditions does radicalize people, nobody here is advocating for strategically acting to make things worse, ie accelerationism, but instead organizing.
Communists are neither far-right nor a Russian psyop.
The Russian psyop comment 😭 really went into bunch of asians territory
Yep, as they seem to enjoy doing, sadly.
The genocide in Gaza was enabled by the Biden administration and continues with Trump. Deceptive of you to pretend that the Democratic Party is better on this. The Biden administration vetoed ceasefire multiple times at the UN.
I didn’t suggest that the dems are better on this. Just that trumps regime doing the same thing is more accepted here. Are you suggesting that the situation would be better if a different US president was in place at that time?
Not meaningfully, and that’s precisely the point. You’re arguing for contradictory stances from one comment to the next because to believe Democrats aren’t fascists too is logically inconsistent.
After winning the Nobel peace prize, Obama dropped an average of 30k bombs / year (80 per day) during his presidency, mostly on Muslim countries, 2, 3. In 2016 alone, dropped 26,171 bombs in the Middle East and North Africa, up 3000 from the previous year. The countries bombed include Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, and Somalia.
No, it is not accepted here.
No, and that’s the point everyone here is trying to make. Both parties are the same except for rhetoric and optics.
We do not accept the genocide, whether Trump, Biden, or Harris is in office. The situation would not be better with any of those 3 in office, because the genocide isn’t a personal preference of whoever sits in the White House but instead a systemic aspect of Israel’s settler-colonial project.