• gnarles_snarkley@beehaw.org
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    I don’t agree witg the idea that “this place is crawling with history denialists.”

    See the above comment for more detail

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      It is the exact same wrong statement at the exact same level of no detail, only longer and more haughty.

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      Can you explain what exactly it is that I’m denying, with evidence? You’re proving me correct here, you’re denying history and using wetern atrocity propaganda as a club against anyone that wants to improve the world we live in.

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        10 hours ago

        Like I said. This platform prohibits posting anything other than the official stance of denialism.

        There are plenty of photos of the dead scattered around bloodied and mutilated.

        You expect me to ignore that and pretend it didn’t happen?

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          Hundreds of people did die, yes, not 10,000 people and not on the square. This platform prohibits posting the western atrocity propaganda version of historical mythmaking, not discussion of the June 4th protests and riots, nor the fact that the PLA did kill hundreds of rioters. By remaining vague and unserious about your claims, you’re painting a picture of us as claiming nobody died at all on June 4th, there were no tanks, nothing happened, etc, but that’s not the case at all, and this vague posturing on your part is contributing to that misinformation about us and our stances.

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            painting a picture of us as claiming nobody died at all on June 4th

            People are actually constantly claiming this on this platform. You’re again being disingenuous by claiming otherwise or have your eyes closed.

            The whole “tank man wasn’t murdered” talking point is a pathetic attempt to deny the entire incident by re-focusing the incident on tank man and completely ignoring the events which lead up to it.

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              You’re entirely wrong. People say that nobody died in Tian’anmen Square, which is true, even the ever-biased Wikipedia agrees that dispersal of the square was peaceful. You’re reading people denying the western myth of tanks running over 10,000 people on the square itself as denying any killings by the PLA on June 4th,1989. Post evidence of the claims you believe exist, or stop with your historical denialism.

              The whole “tank man wasn’t murdered” thing is a pathetic attempt to deny the entire incident by re-focusing the incident on tank man and completely ignoring the events which lead up to it.

              No, it’s to point out how the west teaches a mythologized version of events by focusing on one of its most iconic moments, and showing that it doesn’t at all align with the western version of events. If anything, communists are the ones that actually know what the protests were about in the month leading up to it in April and May, CIA involvement with the student leaders through Operation Yellowbird, and so forth, because whenever we claim to support the PRC anti-communists inevitably wield the mythologized version of events like a club against us, which we have to dispel over and over again.

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                You’re pathetic. I JUST explained the talking point to you and how pointless it was and you in your infinite wisdom knee jerked yourself into posting it.

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                  I don’t think it’s pathetic to combat misinformation that you’re spreading, without even having the decency to provide evidence backing your claims up. You have a knee-jerk reaction to deny anything that disagrees with your internal narrative.

                  Claim A: 10,000 people were killed in Tian’anmen Square on June 4th, 1989

                  Claim B, Part 1: No, nobody died in Tian’anmen Square on June 4th, 1989.

                  Claim B, Part 2: Hundreds of people died around Beijing on June 4th, 1989, including dozens of PLA officers lynched and firebombed, as well as hundreds of rioters.

                  Both parts of Claim B are intrinsically tied together, but you read it as distinct claims made by different people to justify your absurd claims.

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                    You’re deflecting by focusing on the square and not the pile of mutilated corpses because you cannot defend that.

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              People are actually constantly claiming this on this platform

              And now you’ve been reduced to the point of lying through your teeth