their rich people depend on the dollar
Can we just fucking nuke the Europe with all the libshits in it? They’re like a cancer cell that spreads everywhere.
The fuck are you on kid?
Definitely not whatever the fuck you’re on cracker.
Well you pleading to kill many people is some crazy shit. But you probably know that.
I’m guessing you talk big. What about enlisting and actually follow up on your big boy talk. Judging by the talk you’re probably not even American either. Who you calling a cracker, you’re whiter than I’ll ever be lmao.
Be the change you want to see in the world. Why not?
Well you pleading to kill many people is some crazy shit. But you probably know that.
And you are stupid enough to cry about a shitty meme. Just get a job and move on.
I’m guessing you talk big. What about enlisting and actually follow up on your big boy talk.
Enlisting for what? Killing Arabs, Asians, Africans and Latinos? Because that’s what the NATO has been doing since WWII. Do you even follow any news outside of your echo chamber?
Judging by the talk you’re probably not even American either. Who you calling a cracker, you’re whiter than I’ll ever be lmao.
The fuck does the skin color has to do with anything? Will being as dark as a starless night makes my words righter? Behave like a cracker and you will be called a cracker, simple as.
Be the change you want to see in the world. Why not?
You are talking to a guy who’s got arrested twice for criticizing his government on Twitter—yes, the old one—and joining a protest for injustices happened—and got tortured in that one. Think twice before trying to lecture someone cracker.
China as commercial partner is way more reliable as the USA, apart the EU has finally approved Mercosur, creating with it the biggest common market in the world. The USA will lose all commercial partners in the future if they continue with their policies. The only problem is that there are still EU countries to submissive with the USA (Germany and some eastern countries).
Meanwhile the USA on the way to an civil war
If the US aren’t careful he might start calling for ex-Amerikkka 🤣
This is Gunther though, his favourite pasttime is posting balkanization maps of Bad CountriesTM, in other words he’s a total weirdo.
wait, this guy is not just a shitposter on twitter, he’s an actual nato person? huh.
He is just a shitposter although his shitposts are entirely serious, and he’s not an actual NATO person, that “institution” he is chairman is just an Austrian NATO fanclub which have probably 1 member.
ahhhh. haha, he has a patreon and his own DOCTRINE!
Tbh even if there was sufficient political will to pivot to China (there is some, and it is growing), people underestimate just how entangled European military structures are with the US via NATO. This is by design of course, and a situation EU atlanticists have historically been very happy with, but pulling out is no small ask.
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China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa right now. They’re actively working against Europe in Ukraine. Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.
History started yesterday, i see.
In yester-year China invaded their friends and allies India & Vietnam. Not long Before that Europe was inventing entirely new ways to shaft over the rest of the world. There’s really no such thing as a “trustworthy” partner in geopolitics, just Alligned incentives&ideologies
china hasn’t invaded anyone or been at war for decades.
compare that to the us…
Didn’t realise I mentioned to US in my comment
of course you didn’t mention the biggest empire in history shelling out the most suffering to the world.
it’s the only way you can make china look so bad.
And yet they remain relevant
China is off doing naval drills with Russia in South Africa
So are western countries as well and don’t see you crying about it?
They’re actively working against Europe in Ukraine.
Insisting sanctions to be decided in the UN and not unilaterally by the west when it’s NATO expansion that triggered the war is not working against Europe. Providing a framework for peace and trying to facilitate peace talks is not working against Europe. Being the largest trading partner of Ukraine is not working against Europe.
Not really a trustworthy partner for anything.
Europe and the US are right?
I’m just stating facts. China is a geopolitical rival that cannot be trusted by the EU. Less militarily dangerous than Russia, but economically dangerous in every way.
You seem very emotional about it though.
Europe is an ant compared to china, that’s not a rival.
Yeah, but that also means that China isn’t super trustworthy.
No one is super trustworthy if they’re a giant compared to you. I really like the idea of the EU and being a citizen has been a net positive for sure, but its systems are way too easy to abuse.
I’m just stating facts
China is a geopolitical rival
You’re just repeating western foreign policy you imperialist bootlicker. Imagine having a zero sum worldview dipshit
You seem very emotional about it though.
“I am very smart”
I was talking with a Russian expat about"nato threat to Russia", and he just replied laughting “what threat?”
You may want to consider whether the views of expats align with those staying in their home countries.
Thank you for your anecdote. Looking at the impotence of NATO in Ukraine I can get the sentiment.
I had one as well that showed me how calculative the Americans are: https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-affairs-event/user-clip-biden-1997-nato-expansion-baltics/5009529
You do understand that Russia would be collapsing right now without Chinese help. They provide all the stuff Russia needs especially dual use goods. China and a bit India not caring about Ukraine keeps Russia running. While breaking ties with the US would remove the power of many us weapons (e.g. the updates on the f16) and the other stuff that is currently brought in from us depots like patriots or information.
Europe shot itself in the knee by not preparing for the continuation of the Ukraine war, so now its only chance is to shoot it in the foot I hope in two years time we are prepared so we don’t have to do it again.
You do understand that Russia would be collapsing right now without Chinese help.
You do understand that the war wouldn’t have broke out if it weren’t for the prospect of NATO expansion?
They provide all the stuff Russia needs especially dual use goods.
China provides these for Ukraine as well, so your point is?
Also lmao actually falling for “dual use” (did you know providing water is dual use, as it quenches the thirst of enemy troops?)
Europe shot itself in the knee by not preparing for the continuation of the Ukraine war
Europe shot itself in the foot by not recognizing that expanding a military alliance is seen as a threat when you’re not part of it
You understand that you’re telling bullshit kremel propaganda?
There was no option for Ukraine to ascend to either EU or NATO at the beginning of the war. This was already achieved by the krimea annexation afterwards it was determined that they didn’t want to give up the territory and no one wanted to conquer it for them so there was no realistic discussion about them joining either.
My point on the China thing is that they are aktivly supporting our European enemy so there is a problem with becoming strategic allies? What do you not get about it being a problem if they keep Russia in the war??? And they don’t provide it in the same way for Ukraine.
And the last point is again stupid, there never was a threat of an intervention in Russia as long as they have nukes just like there won’t be one in North Korea, but in Iran. It’s just that Russia is sad that they can’t pull a Belarus on Ukraine so everyone has to respect their feelings? What is your point? This really grinds my head.
kremel propaganda
Lmao
You understand that you’re telling bullshit kremel propaganda?
You understand that you’re telling bullshit NATO propaganda?
Why are warhawks like mearsheimer saying it’s NATO expansion? Why was Joe fucking Biden able to predict in the 90s that NATO expansion would trigger a war?
My point on the China thing is that they are aktivly supporting our European enemy
China is also supporting Ukraine and the peace effort (which got cynically dismissed by Europe). Also the “European enemy” was created by NATO. You had a economic partnerships after the dissolution of the UDSSR. Why was NATO allowed to continue to exist when the basis of it’s existence was the UDSSR?
If China were to actively support the war effort on Russias behalf, the war would look much differently.
What do you not get about it being a problem if they keep Russia in the war???
Why do you not get that that there’s a UN as a forum to bring international issues to? Not unilaterally decide to sanction and pressure/coerce other countries because you try to claim moral high ground? Is it because when the issue would be brought to the UN not every country would be siding with the West and Ukraine on this? Is it because everyone with half a brain sees that provoking this war serves western capital?
And they don’t provide it in the same way for Ukraine
You mean the drone parts that china was providing Ukraine until the US pressured to not do so anymore?
there never was a threat of an intervention in Russia
Not true when the west was pushing Navalny and arming Ukraine. You’re either naive or mad that the Russians aren’t
It’s just that Russia is sad that they can’t pull a Belarus on Ukraine so everyone has to respect their feelings?
Nation states have interests not feelings. Seeing this lack of understanding of geopolitics is also the reason why you keep repeating NATO propaganda
What is your point?
Why are you blaming China when it’s obvious that it’s the US and European political elite fault that the war is happening
This doesn’t make sense. And as you can see with Belarus and Georgia, those countries just want to decide their own futures. But guys like you always go about but Russia didn’t want them to and that’s threatening. They want to be able to send soldiers and do whatever they want. Why should Russia be in charge they weren’t even in charge of the Soviet Union for the most time of its existence.
The UN thing is the part were I will stop talking to you. IF YOU DON’T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VETO MEMBERS ARE. WOW RUSSIA WILL OF COURSE NOT BLOCK SANCTIONS AGAINST THEMSELVES.
Belarus sit on the fence for 30 years, until NATO (especially Poland and Lithuania) hybrid warfare and constant subversion culminating in a coup attempt in 2020 resulted in them finally taking the side of Russia because you can’t fucking trust Europe on nothing.
Georgia was so infested by US and western money it has by far highest amount of meddling NGO’s per population and it was first set up by NATO into ethnic cleaninsing campaign in Souther Ossetia and attacking Russian peacekeeprs there, fortunately they were wiser than Ukraine and retreated after Russia intervened, i guess they were just not nazi enough for them to fight for EU to the last Georgian.
Yeah by all means, US empire and their vassals should definitely let those two countries decide for themselves, unfortunately you cannot be neutral to the world hegemon, the only choice is between subjugation or resistance.
as you can see with Belarus and Georgia, those countries just want to decide their own futures
You mean the US and EU deciding the future for them. Guess you never gave a listen to the leaked Nuland call in regards to Ukraine.
You’re just trying to justify unilateral sanctions by claiming moral high ground and cry about china not following along when it’s obvious to them that this war has been provoked by NATO.
I will stop talking to you.
Thank you finally
The expansion of a collective of imperialist nations does not justify another imperialist power’s expansion.
Analysis is not justification dipshit
lol ok bud.
Europeans be like
Ratatatatatatatatata
“Whatever happens, we have got The Maxim gun, and they have not.”
Maxim Gun (The “Use in Colonial Warfare” section is particularly illuminating)
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Why is there so much Chinese propaganda on lemmy?
"Anything short of vitriolic hate of the CPC and Chinese people is pro Chinese propaganda. " Washingtons strongest soldier
Cultural victory. Did you never play Europa Universalis
There are a lot of communists here, FOSS attracts us and Lemmy in particular was made and is developed by communists. The PRC is a socialist country governed by communists, so most communists support it.
Tell me more about the flagship dictatorship of late stage capitalism. You:
The PRC is a socialist country governed by communists, so most communists support it.
The PRC is a dictatorship of the proletariat, it’s a democratic country that restricts the rights and free movement of capitalists. Public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, controlling the large firms and key industries, finance sector, etc, while private and cooperative ownership dominates the small and medium firms. About half the private sector is just sole proprietorships, which don’t make much sense to socialize immediately anyways from a Marxist perspective.
I stand by that statement, it’s a socialist country governed by communists, and the majority of communists support it.
The political discussion here would be much more enticing if these “communists” actually supported communist ideals. This is just state worship.
Leftism is dead and buried. Look up the concept of a “deformed worker’s state” and tell me it doesn’t describe China to a tee.
Trotsky was right and was assassinated for it.
Communists do support communist ideals, though. Socialist states have brought dramatic improvements, such as doubling life expectancy in Russia and China, 99.9% literacy rates, democratization of the economy, massive improvements to healthcare and education, low homeless rates, poverty alleviation, and more. I don’t “worship” states, I support socialism as a system for improving the lives of the people.
Trotsky was wrong. The biggest reason Trotsky was wrong was because he believed the peasantry to be counter-revolutionary, which was the basis of Permanent Revolution. However, even simple investigation into socialist states like China prove them to be more genuinely democratic than what preceded it. For example, look at the perceptions of democracy in China:
This is combined with over 90% of the population supporting their government. Consistent studies like this point to something beyond whatever Trotsky believed. Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance goes over how socialist countries have established democratic control.
The real problem with Trotskyism, other than the inapplicability of Permanent Revolution, is that its conclusions are inflexibly against real socialism in modern implementation. Few Trotskyist orgs support AES, while none have established socialism themselves. It’s a deeply western, fatalistic tendency.
Explain to me how denying history because it is shameful is a “communist ideal” and then we can talk.
Can you explain? What do you mean by this vague statement?
We are discussing so-called “Communists” on this platform. You and I both know this place is crawling with history denialists (particularly the events of June 1989). Any “ideology” that is more concerned about preserving the image of the state over accepting responsibility is not an ideology worth my or anybody else’s time. It’s insulting and little and pathetic.
I’m interested in the merits of communism, but all this platform does is re-hash the same state approved talking points over and over. It’s tiring and isn’t winning anybody with an ounce of morality over.
I don’t agree with the idea that “this place is crawling with history denialists.” What it is “crawling” with are people that combat the westernized, atrocity propaganda version of June 4th, 1989, instead contextualizing it with what’s actually confirmed. For example, western myth-making talks about tanks running over everyone on the square, resulting in 10,000 killed, but what actually happened is that dispersal of the square was peaceful, but on the way to the square hundreds of rioters and PLA members died in fighting around Beijing. This isn’t “denialism,” but instead deflecting western atrocity propaganda.
We do accept responsibility, and aren’t interested in lying, but when we know that the character of events is quantitatively and qualitatively different from the version western anti-communists beat us over the head with, we are forced to confront them honestly. What’s insulting and little and pathetic isn’t the communists combatting misinformation, but the anti-communists less interested in truth and more interested in wielding whatever convenient narrative they can like a club.
One thing that’s important is that when we talk about communism, honestly judging its merits and flaws, people come to communism. I made an intro ML reading list, as an example, that others seem to like. Also, around the world, communist orgs are growing in membership.
The point of this all is that you’ve done no real effort to explain how we falsify history, you’ve vaguely asserted it while belittling our efforts. Your citation is that “you and I know this,” which isn’t a source, nor is it accurate, yet you’re using this narrative like a club to try to shut me down, regardless of the truth of the matter. It’s thought-terminating.
stay mad
I don’t know. I just joined a new instance hoping it would be better. Spoiler: It’s not better.
Have you considered going back to reddit?
Have you?
Why would I? I’m not the one whining about seeing leftists
leftism = good
propaganda = bad
Easy concept my friend
And yet you seem to be struggling with it.
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Why is there so much anti-chinese propaganda everywhere else?
Not everywhere else, China bans speech that shows the party or the country in a negative light lol
You mean like the west is trying to do there to be a fifth column similar like they already do in Taiwan in order to further western capitalist interests? I take it you’ve actually never been on weibo
Have you actually ever seen c/manufactureconsent?
What would I expect to find on weibo?
Edit: why the dislikes? I’m just genuinly curious!
Idol discussion.
I’m not sure where others are getting the idea that it’s not censored.
When I was on a few years ago, it reminded me of Facebook.
Among other things critique of the government and political discussios. China even has a hotline you can call for various complaints you have for the government to take care of. What you won’t see is sinophobic Winnie’s the poh memes “criticizing” le sissype
Sorry I couldn’t parse that first sentence could you rephrase?
Also, I actually have been on Weibo but it really seemed too like… pop culture obsessed? Not my thing, plus my Mandarin sucked even back then when I was still actively learning it
I have also seen c/manufacturingconsent.
Anyway, I’m guessing you brought up Weibo as a “people can talk bad about the government there so clearly they don’t censor anti China speech” but that’s really not an argument.
China is pretty open about its regulation of the media. I mean you’ve likely read the terms and conditions for some of their media platforms so you already know it’s against their policies to promote ideas contrary to the vision/interests of the CCP or create dissent or however they phrase it. I’m sure small comments slip through here and there because their impact is small and censorship takes effort, but major posts against the government are not staying up very long. (If you can find long standing / popular dissenting post on Weibo to prove me wrong I’ll change my mind on this)
As for bringing up manufacturing consent and “what the west is trying to do” guess what buddy, if lots of people/organizations are doing a fucked up thing, it’s still a fucked up thing.
To be fair, I think trying to ensure your citizens hear good news is actually a pretty good idea, but I’m not a big fan of censoring news in order to make that happen.
Want to make the good news I see outnumber the bad 10:1? Fine, but leave the bad news in there. And I definitely don’t think organizations should censor their failures/problems. Admitting when you’ve made a mistake shows you’re trying to improve; hiding your mistakes makes you seem much less trustworthy in general.
Sorry I couldn’t parse that first sentence could you rephrase?
Western hegemony works a lot with creating NGOs, Think-tanks, pushing their Social Media platforms, News agencies, etc. onto other countries to further their interests in these and undermining their sovereignity. If a countries recognize this and kick those out they are instantly labeled authoritarian or limiting their freedom of speech (of course it’s no problem when it’s happening in western countries e.g. RT, TASS with the outbreak of the war). It’s what what my comment referencing manufacturing consent was hinting at
against their policies to promote ideas contrary to the vision/interests of the CCP or create dissent or however they phrase
The CPC is very popular and has 100M members, meaning pretty much everyone in their family has a member there. Long Term studies show that the Chinese are pretty much satified with their government. Allowing for open criticism is opening the gates for the west to undermine their sovereignity (it’s not like the CPC isn’t responding to it e.g. COVID restrictions after minor protests broke out)
Want to make the good news I see outnumber the bad 10:1? Fine, but leave the bad news in there. And I definitely don’t think organizations should censor their failures/problems. Admitting when you’ve made a mistake shows you’re trying to improve; hiding your mistakes makes you seem much less trustworthy in general.
I agree, but you underestimate the soft power the US and the west in general has pushing their narrative and undermining progressive movements worldwide. China, unlike the west, has been subject to imperialism so it’s understandable to have a tighter grip on narrative (I mean the west and generally all nation states do that to some degree)
Because this is a communist website.
