Brave is essentially just Chrome with an adblocker, a bunch of bloatware, and a bunch of controversies.
Brave took BAT donations in YouTuber’s names without their consent, with them keeping the money if the YouTubers didn’t claim it. https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2019/01/13/brave-web-browser-no-longer-claims-to-fundraise-on-behalf-of-others-so-thats-nice/
Brave’s search engine crawler hides itself from websites by pretending to be Googlebot, and Meta (Facebook) buys API access from them to train their AI. https://stackdiary.com/brave-selling-copyrighted-data-for-ai-training/
The business model of Brave rewards as a whole is to block all other ad networks to replace them with their own, which is unfair as only YouTubers and websites that have joined can make money from most Brave users.
If Brave actually cared, they would create an acceptable ads style feature which was free for everyone and allowed simple contextual banners while blocking ads which track you, take up most of the page, or have NSFW content.
Their approach is monopolistic as they have full control and can strangle YouTubers and websites by dropping pay at any time.
And Brenden Eich has said on Twitter that he plans to release “Brave Origin”, which is a paid version of Brave without the bloatware. That name is ironic as he is admitting that his browser is commercialised and bloated, which is similar to when gorhill gave uBlock way to Chris Aljoudi who commercialised it, which led him to create uBlock Origin.
If you use Brave, ditch it and look at using Librewolf or Helium instead, which both include no ads nor tracking and don’t have Brave News, Rewards, Wallet, Talk etc bloatware.
Nope, Brave is way better than FF has ever been. I will keep using it and promote it if someone asks me. I don’t care about the supposed scandals of Brave or political opinions of Eich, that’s not my business and he’s not my friend nor an acquaintance of mines.
And no, using Librewolf still gives market share to Gecko, this to Mozilla. No way I’d touch that thing. What’s more, I’d gladly donate to make Mozilla disappear, if I could. Now, feel free to downvote me to hell. I won’t bother to reply to anyone. Better yet, I’ll just block the annoying people that will surely feel obliged to insult me.
Good to know your fascism gets expressed as a web browser choice, I guess.
“you support fascism if you use brave” … Omg come on. This is really ridiculous. I’m a communist and active member in a socialist org. I’ve been in the face of proud boys, I’ve fought with ICE, I’ve marched with strikers… Telling people they support fascism through browser choice is fucking nuts. Everything you do supports the fascist system unless you live off grid in the woods.
There is no ethical consumption under a capitalist system. Do I like the guy? Fuck no. But I like brave search. I liked BAT when it was released; it was an interesting idea on supporting creators that ultimately flopped. I like the ad block. I also use firefox with ad block. I’m capable of both. I’m browsing the web for lifting videos, not planning the revolution.
All browsers suck. I’ve tried them all over the past 30 years. Show me a browser that doesn’t suck and I’ll change, I haven’t seen it. This shaming of people is really getting fucking ridiculous. It’s the most milquetoast lib purity test I’ve seen.
I didn’t read this because you cannot undo op saying “I don’t care what their politics are”.
For Android, Vanadium in GOS is a better option than Brave.
For computers, I have to say that this comment has some foundation. Why?
For general navigation (things that don’t require login): Use Mullvad Browser
For logins (things that don’t require total privacy and require better security: email, bank account, etc): For now use Brave (or Trivalent if you are using SecureBlue, or Ungoogled Chromium if you are techy savvy enough to keep the uBO extension working reliably)
With this premise, of privacy and security in PC, is difficult to outcome Brave for the later in terms of convenience.
Brave is open source, if you have a problem with something on it please bring it to us. The bloatware can be managed via settings (although very annoying and not sure when enshifitication will become unbearable).
For those recommending Vivaldi, Vivaldi is not completely open source. So, no, I can’t trust it.
Absolutely 0 problems. I use it everywhere.
I love vanadium but it’s AdBlock is very subpar I wish they would lift shields from brave
Give vivaldi a try, not because brave is bad, but because vivaldi is better in every way.
Vivaldi being proprietary makes it worse than Brave, even with Brave’s controversies. But I would still rather use Librewolf, but there is even Ungoogled-Chromium if you really need it.
There is definitely a space for a “deBraved” browser that keeps the good parts. That would be the best chromium browser.
Its just as open source as the other chromium based browsers
https://vivaldi.com/source/
They also have very valid reasons for keeping the features that make the UI unique closed, seeing how many open source projects like ffmpeg get completely taken advantage of its a smart move.
Youll find that parts of brave arent actually open source either, such as their built in AI or the build in crypto wallet.
At some point you gotta ask if its worth having open source purity tests when even the flagship products are shoveling AI and other garbage no one wants into their browser.
Librewolf might pass that purity test for now, but without mozilla librewolf likely would not continue, vivaldi does not have this problem.
I disagree with this take. As someone who feels entitled to the four freedoms with every program I run, proprietary is a dealbreaker. Crypto and “AI” crap can be disabled or removed. If the choice were strictly between Vivaldi and Brave, Brave would be the better option. Fortunately we have better choices.
I don’t use Brave, I use Librewolf (or Ungoogled-Chromium if I need Chromium). I suggested that a “debraved” browser might be the best chromium browser, but apparently Helium is close to this (I haven’t heard of it until today).
I think thats a good position to have, if librewolf works for you i hope it continues to do so.
I used to be more of an open source purist but recent and not so recent events have shifted my thinking, it seems to be one of the four freedoms is regularly taken advantage of by corporations and should be reconsidered. Not that we as individuals shouldnt have those freedoms, but for-profit corps specifically have proven time and time again that they will only take and never give back.
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What are you talking about?
What valid reason? The UI closed source is a terrible move. We have no idea what they added to the UI that can be pushing trackers, or even worse (You can’t verify there is no master keylogger / session stealer).
What are you talking about? Brave is generally considered fully open source at the browser client level. The entire desktop/mobile browser client (including Shields, ad-blocking, anti-fingerprinting, Brave Rewards client-side logic, Leo AI client integration, etc.) is open source
Its just as open source as the other chromium based browsers
https://vivaldi.com/source/
They also have very valid reasons for keeping the features that make the UI unique closed, seeing how many open source projects like ffmpeg get completely taken advantage of its a smart move.
Youll find that parts of brave arent actually open source either, such as their built in AI or the build in crypto wallet.
At some point you gotta ask if its worth having open source purity tests when even the flagship products are shoveling AI and other garbage no one wants into their browser.
Librewolf might pass that purity test for now, but without mozilla librewolf likely would not continue, vivaldi does not have this problem.
I recommend looking at Helium and Cromite as alternatives.
As for Firefox, I don’t like it too, and I’ve wrote a similar post about it on this sub but it got downvoted by -66 points.
Nope, Brave has better isolation, better privacy and a great adblock. Period. Don’t care about downvotes. Only losers care for imaginary internet points.
Literally nobody is downvoting or challenging you. Go back to Reddit if you want to attention farm.
Well, truth been told this is not literally correct. Their comment is getting a lot of downvotes.
Stop alt posting bro
I think we’ve found Brendan Eich’s Lemmy account
I’ll make you a favor and give you a bit of may attention only to make you notice how pathetic your comment is.
Goodbye.