Anyone who says “death to America” - I don’t wanna be the kind of person who says “yet you live in jsociety”, but you’re saying this as an American citizen - you’re exercising your right to fhe freedom of speech, as per the First Amendment (which also includes the freedoms of religion, of the press, to assemble peacefully, and to redress grievances). I assume you’d change your mind and say you love America if they elected a socialist president.
But who am I to judge? Trump is an a-hole who’s very greedy to the point where he wants Venezuelan oil. Seriously!
Who’s saying this “as an American citizen”? I’m not, tf. I’m banned from entering the US lmao, as are most people on Earth at this point. “Everyone on the internet is American” ass comment. Most people hate the country that invades them and bleeds them dry of every resource.
It’s a materialist approach to deconstruct what it means. It’s always good to seek where information is coming from, who is saying it and why, otherwise it is easy to fall into reactionary behaviour ripe for and often bred from misunderstandings. In this case:
The slogan has historically been contextualized as a reaction to the U.S. government’s policies towards Islamic countries and merely an expression of outrage at those policies, not a wish for literal death for American people themselves.[13] In a speech to university students, Iran’s supreme leader Ali Khamenei interpreted the slogan as “death to the U.S.'s policies, death to arrogance”.[14]
In other words… Before reacting to inflammatory phrases, it’s important to understand their actual meaning, cultural context, and who’s using them and why - things often get misunderstood across language/cultural barriers. America could certainly use the humility and self reflection.
Brother, it’s all explained in the first paragraph of the wiki article…
Death to America"[a] is an anti-American political slogan widely used in Iran,[1] Afghanistan,[2] Lebanon,[3] Yemen,[4] Iraq,[5][6] and Pakistan.[7][8] Ruhollah Khomeini, the first supreme leader of Iran, popularized the term.[9] He opposed the chant for radio and television but not for protests and other occasions.[1] The literal meaning of the Persian phrase Marg bar Âmrikâ (مرگ بر آمریکا) is “Death to America”. In most official Iranian translations, the phrase is translated into English as the less crude “Down with America”.[10][11] The chant “Death to America” has come to be employed by various anti-American groups and protesters worldwide.[12]
I didn’t even realize that what I said is very controversial here on Lemmy after looking at the downvotes, so let me clarify that I’m NOT actually calling you hypocrites - as per the First Amendment, you have the right to say what you think of America. I’m NOT in any way denying all of you the right to do exactly that; you’re allowed to express any contempt towards this country. I apologize if my opinion may have irritated some of you the wrong way.
My statement on what Trump said is that Venezuela is gonna fight back anytime soon (and probably impose sanctions on anything made in the US).
Oh and I support socialism and such. I’m NOT against the idea of socialism, NOR already-existing-socialist countries (including probably Venezuela) - does anyone think I should study socialist/communist theory a bit more, and if so, is there anything short that I can study (using Cowbee’s method of taking each paragraph and boiling them down into simple terms which is a pretty good method, to be honest)?
Also, do you prefer a socialist/communist US over the bourgeois-capitalist US?
Anyone who says “death to America” - I don’t wanna be the kind of person who says “yet you live in jsociety”, but you’re saying this as an American citizen - you’re exercising your right to fhe freedom of speech, as per the First Amendment (which also includes the freedoms of religion, of the press, to assemble peacefully, and to redress grievances). I assume you’d change your mind and say you love America if they elected a socialist president.
But who am I to judge? Trump is an a-hole who’s very greedy to the point where he wants Venezuelan oil. Seriously!
No yeah, you did the yet you live in society thing. Stfu liberal.
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What makes you assume we’re American citizens?
You’re NOT from the US? Just asking.
Americans and their stupid US-centrism… No, we’re not all from the US. Stop assuming that everyone you meet on the Internet is.
Who’s saying this “as an American citizen”? I’m not, tf. I’m banned from entering the US lmao, as are most people on Earth at this point. “Everyone on the internet is American” ass comment. Most people hate the country that invades them and bleeds them dry of every resource.
Consider the phrase’s history and note it’s likely a mistranslation. It has a deeper meaning than it’s surface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America
Though I prefer the more colourful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Satan
Can you explain?
It’s a materialist approach to deconstruct what it means. It’s always good to seek where information is coming from, who is saying it and why, otherwise it is easy to fall into reactionary behaviour ripe for and often bred from misunderstandings. In this case:
In other words… Before reacting to inflammatory phrases, it’s important to understand their actual meaning, cultural context, and who’s using them and why - things often get misunderstood across language/cultural barriers. America could certainly use the humility and self reflection.
So that slogan started as an extreme opposition-type slogan from Islamic countries?
Brother, it’s all explained in the first paragraph of the wiki article…
Curiosity is healthy, please embrace it.
“You say death to the king, yet you live on His land by His beneficence. Hypocrite much?”
Time is coming for it.
Please explain
I didn’t even realize that what I said is very controversial here on Lemmy after looking at the downvotes, so let me clarify that I’m NOT actually calling you hypocrites - as per the First Amendment, you have the right to say what you think of America. I’m NOT in any way denying all of you the right to do exactly that; you’re allowed to express any contempt towards this country. I apologize if my opinion may have irritated some of you the wrong way.
My statement on what Trump said is that Venezuela is gonna fight back anytime soon (and probably impose sanctions on anything made in the US).
Oh and I support socialism and such. I’m NOT against the idea of socialism, NOR already-existing-socialist countries (including probably Venezuela) - does anyone think I should study socialist/communist theory a bit more, and if so, is there anything short that I can study (using Cowbee’s method of taking each paragraph and boiling them down into simple terms which is a pretty good method, to be honest)?
Also, do you prefer a socialist/communist US over the bourgeois-capitalist US?