If lemmy had user-defined filters, I’d use them. Right now I’m downvoting the stuff, but there’s already a community for musk-related stuff: !EnoughMuskSpam@kbin.social
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Yes!
Please yes.
I’m tired of seeing the same story of that chode in six or seven different communities.
Wait you mean you don’t want to hear the next pricing plan for twitter? Aren’t you a tech enthusiast???
As much as I enjoy watching the
worldXitter burn, there’s a limit to everything.
Musk has already been banned as a topic on tech communities in 4 instances I’ve seen personally. I get folks are tired of him and I find him insufferable, but he is often relevant (unfortunately) to current events, so I don’t think wholesale bans of him are a good idea. There are plenty of topics I find annoying, but I don’t tell people to ban the topic from the community just for my personal preference.
Like I think trump is a cringe inducing piece of shit and don’t enjoy seeing him everywhere. I’d love a filter, I don’t expect communities to ban him as a topic.
Yeah but relevant to current tech events? Not that often.
It’s complicated I guess.
Musk offering starlink access to gaza is tech news, him changing subscription prices for xitter is not.
I guess I just mean that a happening is not “tech” by virtue of musk saying it.
He owns starlink, Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX. Whether we like it or not all of these have huge bearings on their respective industries.
And before people started hating musk, again rightfully so I’m embarrassed I ever liked him, you couldn’t go a day without something about SpaceX and people getting all excited. This is purely about the person, not the relevance of the topics.
If y’all could somehow come up with a nuanced soft ban on “his personal life“ and politics or whatever, I guess that’s a decent compromise? But that just sounds tedious and people will bicker. And also his politics unfortunately have an impact on how Twitter is run, so you would have to find ways to separate those things out. It’s just seems kind of needless.
I mean imagine if we couldn’t spread the word/learn of what he was doing with his starlink satellites and Ukraine/Russia. That stuff is really important.
The nuanced soft ban you’re talking about is just the topic of the community.
When musk does something tech related that’s tech. When he does something that’s not tech related that’s off topic.
Twitter is a social media website it’s not tech.
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Honestly I think it’s weird that people think social media is tech.
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The product itself (the code) may be considered tech but the company’s/employee’s/executive’s business/personal/anything outside of the product dealings shouldn’t be. If running a website makes any information related to you tech related then literally every company is a tech company. Meta’s stock price dropping because Zuckerbot farted in a kindergarten classroom isn’t anything tech related. Subscription fees being added or increased isn’t tech related.
How would you define tech with regards to social media and how does that definition not include any other company running a website that you can interact with?
Adding a subscription payment isn’t tech, there are more companies than Starlink, Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX, and we aren’t posting everything that a company do, just with Twitter or Tesla because they are popular and Elon Musk a meme… Mercedes for example has better autopilot than Tesla, Porsche has better electric vehicle than Tesla, but I don’t see people posting about that every time. I think there is an excessive posting of his stuff, and he just loves to get fame. I suppose that’s why he does stupid and crazy nonsense stuff like naming a good and popular brand name as Twitter to X… it’s like destroying all what was already built just to keep his name on news.
To exclude social
You’re going to ban all social media topics too?
Only if they become spammy, I suppose. I already sent you this video where explains how Elon Musk is just re-inventing things that already exists, but what he’s doing with Twitter seems like a 15 years old kid playing with his new toy… and isn’t really doing anything interesting or new to society.
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Yeah, I agree, social media is part of tech, it’s just spammy.
Yeah but relevant to current tech events? Not that often.
LOL what? Literally everything he does is related to tech.
Most of what he does is talking, with a pinch of false advertisement and stock manipulation thrown in the mix.
But I’m happy about any actual developments! I’m super hyped for the next starship launch for example.
I mean anything anyone does on the internet is tech given they do it on the internet.
Musk is largely just being a shitty ceo doing ceo things, kinda notably for cultural reasons, sure, but musk news probably better serves as more business news than tech.
Moderator here.
Since there is a loud and collective voice, I will do it, but not all news related to Twitter or Musk can be banned. This is something that you folks need to give me input on. There is going to be a level or kind of essential news that impacts us all, that needs to be allowed to post, and for that we need some agreeable middle ground.
Inputs?
I think anything “musk did/said ABC” should be banned. Reading news about SpaceX or whatever else Musk owns that’s technology related is fine IMO, but the constant “Musk this” and “Musk that” just makes me downvote or at “worst” unsub.
Regarding Twitter, if lemmy had filters, I’d block all of that too. However I can see that it has some influence on people and would be fine treating it as an exception to the muskysphere as long as it doesn’t contain “Musk” in the title.
My 2 cents. Thank you for considering the ban 🙏
As long as people report, and if I notice that kind of Elon Musk paparazzi gospel crap, it will be removed as long as I stay mod. Active during Indian timezone. I do try complain about Lemmy’s mod tools occasionally, because that and some form of CSAM filtering are key concerns now that platform is steadily growing.
incoming rant
Usually an active and reasonable mod tries finding the “moderate” balance on posting and discourse, but they are rare nowadays. I am not spez or a typical reddit mod “mod”. I was born out of the community if that makes any sense, so I am handling the privacy and tech sublemmys for a good while, cushioning the impact of Lemmy adopters.
Thank you for your service 🫡
Would you mind adding the “no musk spam” rule?
Will do when I wake up. Gonna catch some zzzs.
when you do, another thanks for the mod job & also handling this: your outlook & response is the reason this is already better than That Other Place 👍✌️
Multiple rules have been added.
Well-worded! Thank you 🙏
For me it’s the difference between a statements and events. If Musk just says something it’s generally worthless drivel, but if Tesla engineers a new battery pack or gets targeted by a lawsuit then it’s something worth knowing.
I had a similar approach in mind, so it seems it will work. I myself despise the Elon Musk yapping and paparazzi gospel tabloid pieces.
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I agree, but only restrict the news if it mentions Musk, not just one of his companies. For example, SpaceX does interesting stuff, and to be honest operates mostly independently of him these days.
Technology is technology, no matter which asshole owns the company.
I agree.
Breaking News: Elon Musk announces new X laundry service!
“It’s the laundry service of the future! Only requires a recurring subscription of $49.99! (shipping fees not included) Mail us your laundry!!!”
They’ll use spaceX drones instead of mail
You can get drone service as an add on for only an additional $89.99 a month! Don’t be left in the past! Start your X laundry service today! IT’S THE LAUNDRY OF THE FUTURE! PAY ME NOW YOU PEONS!!!
I don’t think content should be banned on Lemmy just because some people are tired of it. But each instance can have its own rules of course.
They’re not asking for it to be banned from the instance, or from Lemmy entirely; they just want it to be moderated out of this community.
Yup. Was going to write the same.
The whole point of having communities is to establish a focus of discussion. You wouldn’t come in here to talk about flower arranging.
Tell that to c/memes, please.
You just did.
Yes please. None of those have anything to do with technology. I want to see some PM-esque posts in here.
Yes Please. Twitter is dead, and we’re just reminding people to go take a look at it constantly. Just let the internet forget about him.
Any time I click a link to Twitter by accident it just asks me to log in or create an account. I don’t think it’s viewable at all (without tools) for non-members anymore.
You can click that to clear it but you no longer get the threads or replies, just the initial tweet.
Lately clearing it just shows a full window version of the same thing. I used to be able to close that popup and view it, but not lately.
Twitter is very much active, it is the first place all political discussions happen. It is where the Israel attacks unfolded. It is where every big figure has an account and share their viewpoints.
It is also where you often see two sides having very different viewpoints argue, something in which it is unique - since by design it tries to allow different ideas even if you don’t agree with them.
But not so with Lemmy - which is extremely left centric, and harbours so much hatred against people, censorship, and the ostrich syndrome of burying you head in the sand, that this post to censor Elon and this amazing claim that Twitter is dead gets so much attraction. Case in point how I predict when near 100% accuracy that this comment will be voted down and buried.
lol you can’t be censored on lemmy. It’s a decentralized platform. Just start your own server.
Lol. Both sides argue? Most tweets are by a small number of people. Before, right wingers were complaining it’s all bots, now suddenly, Elon pushes dodgy Right wing accounts to the frontpage and you guys reckon it’s not true anymore.
How many people do you know who actually use Twitter? I can only think of one, and fairly sure he left it ages ago.
Twitter is growing in irrelevance. Just because people have accounts on it doesn’t mean they use it either.
Do you really think Twitter is growing? Lol.
I think if it’s actually related to tech it’s fine. For example, I read an article from DHH talking about how Musk’s strategy has saved money by moving from Cloud to on-prem and doing it cut massive costs.
I think that’d be okay?
That’s not “musk’s strategy” though. That’s just common knowledge. If you change your own brakes, it’s cheaper than at the dealership. If you run your own servers, it’s cheaper than in the cloud. The reason people choose the cloud is either they don’t want to, or can’t, run their own server farm.
If you run your own servers, it’s cheaper than in the cloud. The reason people choose the cloud is either they don’t want to, or can’t, run their own server farm.
Generally speaking, if it wasn’t cheaper for them to use the cloud, they probably wouldn’t. Owning infrastructure comes with costs that amortize better at scale. If infrastructure is not a big cost in serving your customers, then it’s probably cheaper to rent.
There are some costs that are cheaper when you go to the cloud because of scale. Things like bandwidth, redundancy, and physical security. But they are massively offset by how expensive renting the hardware is. I can rent a server for $500/month that I could build for $3,000-$4,000. That’s 6-8 months before I’m in the red with the cloud. Think about those costs over one server’s lifetime (roughly 5 years, depending on your needs). That’s $26,000 over 5 years, or $5,200 per year extra, for one server. If your company is using 10 servers (assuming your costs scale linearly at this point), that’s $52,000 per year, rather than just running a couple fiber lines into your office. And that’s a small company.
So yeah, it’s more expensive to go with the cloud, almost always. But yes, the cloud gives you benefits. This is pretty common knowledge in the industry, and musk didn’t come up with the idea of bringing services on-site.
Something to add, since I colocate my own hardware in a datacenter: Just the cost of operating a server is non-trivial too. I pay $120/month for just 2U, 1gbps networking, and power usage (600W peak usage), providing my own hardware. Things get a lot cheaper if you can rent a whole rack space though. It’s absolutely been worth it though, because to rent a similar specced server, it could easily be $1k/month.
That $52000/year isn’t enough to pay for even a single full time IT person. So now you’re probably either spending dev time on server admin (which is wasteful of dev salary, and it’s a subject they aren’t experts in, so you’re literally paying more for worse results), or outsourcing to an entity that hires the cheapest employees it can.
Oooor, use a cloud provider. And if you’re a small company, you can probably get away with cheaper shared hosting.
Oh I was talking about renting a VPS, not managed services. Managed services are much more expensive.
I just checked Digital Ocean’s pricing, and the server I was thinking of that’s about $500/month is $900/month for managed MySQL. That’s $107,400 extra per year if you want managed services.
And again, this is for a small company that only needs 10 servers. If we’re talking about something more like 5,000 servers, those cloud costs will be absolutely enormous.
How about Cloud (someone else’s computers) vs. Colo/Data Center (someone else’s cooling and UPS/Generators Your computers) - the cost of running a data center correctly is huge. This is not even counting the 24/7 availability of help or security on the site.
Of course, if you can get away with a 2 servers in a single rack more power to ya.
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A mod responded: https://lemmy.ml/comment/5330224
I think you should leave your input under their comment for them to consider.
That seems like “business” more than technology
Ah you broke my heart. Clear indication that I’m drifting more into management every day :(
Some people like the antics of Bozo the Clown. I enjoy the antics of Stammering Elon.
I love to watch expensive garbage burn.
Watching Twitter burn to the ground along with Musk’s reputation is highly entertainment.
Undeserved reputation built on actually intelligent people that worked for him.
There’s already EnoughMuskSpam fully dedicated to musk antics, I feel like this place could benefit from closing off Bozo so the community can develop different posting habits
That post timing lol https://i.imgur.com/U1ystUX.png
It does seem like there should be filters, though. That seems like a pretty important feature.
Yes please. My downvote finger is getting sore.
Holy cow, this sounds like a moderation nightmare–glad I don’t have to do it! There’s no way you’re going to get through it without someone complaining about it.
In my mind, this is definitely something that individuals should address with blocks and filters. If those filters don’t exist, they should be written.
For those using the magnificent Sync - Settings shortcut: Filters > Keyword filters
Though you might miss out on some posts about aftershave that contains musk
I don’t realistically expect such ban to happen. I started banning everyone who posts about Musk instead, my feed got a lot cleaner.
Oh, that’s one way to do it too.
Yes, seriously.
