You don’t vote for a dem soc with the expectation that they are infallible or going to stick 100% to their word.
You vote for the dem soc because the alternatives (neo-liberals and fascists) are objectively worse by every metric.
Mamdani can backtrack on 75% of what he said and still be the most progressive mayor in NYC history.
One shouldn’t bitch and moan against those who supported him for supporting what he promised. Hold Mamdani accountable for his backtracking and failures and try for someone comparatively more progressive next time. Of one doesn’t pop up, keep with Mamdani until another pops up or he can’t run anymore.
Again, it’s not because Mamdani is amazing, but because the others are worse.
Yet they’ll freely admit the overton window is shifting right. They’ve seen firsthand that red voters showing up and voting for their shitbag, even if they aren’t promising to completely dismantle every institution they can like theyd want. Meanwhile, if we dont have a leftist messiah they’d rather stay home and bitch online.
One of these strategies has shown to work and it isnt theirs.
I can stay at home, bitch online, and vote all at the same time. Mail in voting is great! I never miss an election since my ballot is mailed to me, and I have a month to find out who these people are.
I get it, I’m on your right coast counterpart in Boston. California is a top 10 economy globally in size, even measured against the likes of nations like France. So it objectively has the capital to do it.
But every time I hear this, it seems like its lost on them that you absolutely will not be allowed to leave peacefully, at least if its under this administration. That is certainly an option, but you guys would be a nation with 0 military on day 1 unless you tried to nationalize military assets and personnel already in the armed forces. Hell, they’d probably start with calling all military personnel choosing to defect deserters, which they can execute you for, and invade you on those grounds alone.
You guys can definitely leave, but if the US decides to stop ot by force, they’re either going to roll over you like the German blitzkrieg of Poland, or you’re going to descend into years of a brutally violent insurgency.
To be clear too - I’m absolutely on your side. New England has rumblings of trying to secede too, but we’d face the exact same problem as you guys (we’re also not nearly as much as a global economic powerhouse like California, so we’d also have further issues you guys would not).
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You don’t vote for a dem soc with the expectation that they are infallible or going to stick 100% to their word.
You vote for the dem soc because the alternatives (neo-liberals and fascists) are objectively worse by every metric.
Mamdani can backtrack on 75% of what he said and still be the most progressive mayor in NYC history.
One shouldn’t bitch and moan against those who supported him for supporting what he promised. Hold Mamdani accountable for his backtracking and failures and try for someone comparatively more progressive next time. Of one doesn’t pop up, keep with Mamdani until another pops up or he can’t run anymore.
Again, it’s not because Mamdani is amazing, but because the others are worse.
This is cope
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Yet they’ll freely admit the overton window is shifting right. They’ve seen firsthand that red voters showing up and voting for their shitbag, even if they aren’t promising to completely dismantle every institution they can like theyd want. Meanwhile, if we dont have a leftist messiah they’d rather stay home and bitch online.
One of these strategies has shown to work and it isnt theirs.
I can stay at home, bitch online, and vote all at the same time. Mail in voting is great! I never miss an election since my ballot is mailed to me, and I have a month to find out who these people are.
And because of the points you’re responding to, you very well may lose the right to do that.
California is more likely to leave the union than get rid of mail in voting. We’ve been doing it since before The Civil War.
I get it, I’m on your right coast counterpart in Boston. California is a top 10 economy globally in size, even measured against the likes of nations like France. So it objectively has the capital to do it.
But every time I hear this, it seems like its lost on them that you absolutely will not be allowed to leave peacefully, at least if its under this administration. That is certainly an option, but you guys would be a nation with 0 military on day 1 unless you tried to nationalize military assets and personnel already in the armed forces. Hell, they’d probably start with calling all military personnel choosing to defect deserters, which they can execute you for, and invade you on those grounds alone.
You guys can definitely leave, but if the US decides to stop ot by force, they’re either going to roll over you like the German blitzkrieg of Poland, or you’re going to descend into years of a brutally violent insurgency.
To be clear too - I’m absolutely on your side. New England has rumblings of trying to secede too, but we’d face the exact same problem as you guys (we’re also not nearly as much as a global economic powerhouse like California, so we’d also have further issues you guys would not).
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