Every voter you blame for the failure of the Democrats to do the literally measliest effort to court their own base is two voters you’ve cost us in the next election. If you blame greens, your doing 3x damage to the future prospects of Democrats.
You are doing actual fucking damage in the effort to stop fascism when you blame voters instead of the party. If you did it during the last election cycle, you literally paved the way for Trump to come into power.
Let me also say, you are right that blaming specific groups of voters is not a good campaign strategy. I’m not suggesting we go knock on doors and berate people who identify as leftist but refuse to vote for Democrats. Of course it’s better to try and persuade them.
That being said, I can personally come to the conclusion that 2024 was in part their fault, and it does no harm to tell the truth on an obscure web forum that maybe 100 people will read.
Trump won because he talked about the shit folk cared about (economy and jobs). He was lying obviously, but Dems had a more decent candidate and put nothing forward. You have to say what you’ll do, not what you won’t. Dems priority is keeping a moderate grip on selections. They stiffed Bernie and got through coronation of Harris.
Any reasonable candidate and message and they’d win. See Mamdani for more information.
But surely they’ll have a good candidate for next election because they learned right? Yeah no. The DNC seems focussed on ROI for their donors.
Saying that, I’d still vote for them, but this whole blame voters is BS. It won’t change people’s minds. Just remind them that the rank and file as well as the leadership are toxic and reinforce in those people’s heads that they made the correct choice. Telling people they’re wrong is the worst way to persuade people. It gets folks backs up, and they’ll stubbornly argue green is orange. It’s effectively campaigning for the Republicans.
Folk need to understand psychology if they want to be a political activist. Without it, the risk of self-gratification and self-validation is the only achievement.
It’s impossible for any party to appeal to a majority of voters on everything. If Democrats could have done something to be more appealing to greens than Stein was, then whatever that something was would have turned off some other segment of the coalition, possible losing net votes. Winning a national election requires broad appeal, and being the only viable non-fascist, pro-democracy ticket should have been reason enough for any decent person to vote for the Democratic candidate. I don’t know what these greens want, but not living in a Christo-fascist hellhole is apparently not a high priority for them. Fuck them to hell.
This is a good example of the type of (nominally leftist) person who is essentially unpersuadable. How are you supposed to convince these guys to vote when they don’t see a meaningful difference between MAGA and normie Democrats? They don’t live in reality.
Every voter you blame for the failure of the Democrats to do the literally measliest effort to court their own base is two voters you’ve cost us in the next election. If you blame greens, your doing 3x damage to the future prospects of Democrats.
You are doing actual fucking damage in the effort to stop fascism when you blame voters instead of the party. If you did it during the last election cycle, you literally paved the way for Trump to come into power.
Let me also say, you are right that blaming specific groups of voters is not a good campaign strategy. I’m not suggesting we go knock on doors and berate people who identify as leftist but refuse to vote for Democrats. Of course it’s better to try and persuade them.
That being said, I can personally come to the conclusion that 2024 was in part their fault, and it does no harm to tell the truth on an obscure web forum that maybe 100 people will read.
Trump won because he talked about the shit folk cared about (economy and jobs). He was lying obviously, but Dems had a more decent candidate and put nothing forward. You have to say what you’ll do, not what you won’t. Dems priority is keeping a moderate grip on selections. They stiffed Bernie and got through coronation of Harris.
Any reasonable candidate and message and they’d win. See Mamdani for more information.
But surely they’ll have a good candidate for next election because they learned right? Yeah no. The DNC seems focussed on ROI for their donors.
Saying that, I’d still vote for them, but this whole blame voters is BS. It won’t change people’s minds. Just remind them that the rank and file as well as the leadership are toxic and reinforce in those people’s heads that they made the correct choice. Telling people they’re wrong is the worst way to persuade people. It gets folks backs up, and they’ll stubbornly argue green is orange. It’s effectively campaigning for the Republicans.
Folk need to understand psychology if they want to be a political activist. Without it, the risk of self-gratification and self-validation is the only achievement.
It’s impossible for any party to appeal to a majority of voters on everything. If Democrats could have done something to be more appealing to greens than Stein was, then whatever that something was would have turned off some other segment of the coalition, possible losing net votes. Winning a national election requires broad appeal, and being the only viable non-fascist, pro-democracy ticket should have been reason enough for any decent person to vote for the Democratic candidate. I don’t know what these greens want, but not living in a Christo-fascist hellhole is apparently not a high priority for them. Fuck them to hell.
Non-fascist? What was their line on Palestine again? Tutting and selling more weapons?
They didn’t even have policy that appealed to most. They had policy appealed to their donors and it’s really naive if you cannot see that.
Democrats are not pro democracy nor non fascist.
This is a good example of the type of (nominally leftist) person who is essentially unpersuadable. How are you supposed to convince these guys to vote when they don’t see a meaningful difference between MAGA and normie Democrats? They don’t live in reality.