• Digit@lemmy.wtf
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    15 hours ago

    For Marxists, this focus on communalism creates inter-cell class distinctions, as each cell only truly owns their own means of production, giving rise to class distinctions and thus states in the future.

    But,

    internationalist.

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      14 hours ago

      I think you misread, the idea here is that this same decentralization provides the germ of capitalism again. Collectivizing globally stops this process.

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        3 hours ago

        Okay, I’ll keep an eye out for that, in [>40 years of] free software, largely decentralised. [Though argue as one may, that it’s born of a statist, using the state to assure the [4] freedom[s], but still in practice, it’s largely decentralised.]

        And I’ll not cease noticing the cascade from Marx to Stalin was not just a move to more authoritarianism, but at least half as much a drift towards the economic right too.

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          3 hours ago

          There’s a pretty big difference between free software, and running production and distribution of physical goods, as well as the geographic communalization anarchists tend to propose. It’s not that all decentralization leads to capitalism, it’s that decentralizing nearly everything related to production and distribution definitely can.

          As for Marx to socialism as its practiced in the real world, I’m really not getting what you mean here. Marx himself was clear that the process of building communism is long and drawn-out, so existing socialist states that don’t have the full characteristics of communism aren’t at odds with Marx. Nor is the use of authority by the working classes against the capitalists and landlords. Marx’s famous quote on the working class wielding authority against the capitalists is as follows:

          We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.