• ඞmir@lemmy.ml
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    19 hours ago

    Anarchists just want to be left alone

    Then what prevents those with resources to take control of you and own you like slaves? Who will protect you against that?

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      15 hours ago

      Well you and your neighbors and friends, and the greater community that has the same ideal. If you want to be left alone you have to fight in solidarity for it as long as there are those who act to disturb your peace. It’s a desire, a hope, not a adherence to passivism.

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          13 hours ago

          Yeah not sure where you get your numbers from or the basis for that. I can’t imagine someone would be more of an asshole outside of capitalism. Maybe you have some shit neighbors or maybe not and you just need to talk to them.

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      I don’t know anarchism in depth but reading through the comments here, this is what strikes me as an obvious vulnerability of the ideology. That and the seeming lack of a mechanism against returnung to capitalist production.

      The examples of societies in this thread are inefficient in terms of production. While that’s probably a good thing for quality of life, it tells me they likely wouldn’t be able to produce enough defence goods to stop a capitalist from taking over and throwing them into factories for 12 hours per day. Capitalism being great at producing weapons efficiently.

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        15 hours ago

        Insurgency is an extremely effective strategy against capitalist imperialism. It’s had a near perfect record for 70yrs now. Not to comment on the majority of ideologies that have utilized it…

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        lack of a mechanism against returnung to capitalist production

        Well, AnCaps are in a mechanism to return to capitalist production (and the consolidation of wealth towards corporatism, monopoly, and fascism).

        So the anarchists to the left of that are doing better, even if it’s true that they have no mechanism against returning to capitalist production.

        The philosophy, may be sufficient, without mechanism or overly structuralist strategies. And the more everybody’s empowered, the easier and more sure that may be.

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          Anarchy doesn’t mean passivist.

          If someone wants to enslave me or anyone else without consent. Dead.

          It’s not a discussion. It’s not like there is some gray area here. It’s a violation of everyone else’s freedom to consent.

          Either we are all free or no one is free.

          Taking someone freedoms is an assault on every other human and must be treated a such.

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            There are many other ways besides becoming them.

            Sure, reasonable force.

            But to jump from zero to over 9000…

            Always a better way.

            Explore the gray area you assert is not there.

            It’s not a binary, of either consent or murder.

            False dichotomy fallacy.

            Self contradiction.

            Are those you kill, free?

            Or did you use your authority and violence to take away their freedom?

            Maybe try educate them, plant some seeds, offer counter arguments, obsolete their foolish diminishment of potential, show them how they’re depriving themselves from their attempt to enslave others.

            Either we are all free or no one is free.

            Agreed.

            I hope I’ve helped show you this.

            Nicer to be free from murderous authorities imposing their way.

            Sure, there are worse things than death, but that does not make that lesser evil good.

            As emotive an impulse, and instinct, it is, to end the enslaver, there are more ways to end the enslaavement, than just killing the enslaver. Ways that don’t involve becoming a murderous tyrant.

            Better the anarchy of

            Either we are all free or no one is free.

            than the malarchy of

            “Do not appear as a slaver in my perception or I kill you.”

            … ironic, how that can be seen in same light as the enslaver, and make you a target for those of the same philosophy.

            An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth making the whole world blind and toothless again.