As an Anarchist even I have to acknowledge that to date the Soviet Union has been the most successful socialist state, of course I am also of the belief that if the Republicans in Spain or the Anarchists in Ukraine they would have established far more successful implementations of socialism. Still the fact remains that the Soviet Union was by all metrics available successful and even until the very end the majority of people in nearly every SSR supported keeping the Soviet Union alive (if not with reforms), they suffered CIA and western backed reactionary rebellions and I don’t belive any other socialist state would have handled it any better
(yes according to polling made by the reactionaries to gage how much the Soviet population wanted to end to the Soviet Union the majority did not, they promptly ignored the results)
Typo there I meant to say Anarchists in Catalonia, still the fact remains that demanding absolute purity and claiming anything else isnt socialist doesn’t result in socialism. That line of thinking objectively only results in the creation of more fascist states.
Quite frankly the entire world would become fascist before a single nation in the global south accepts your specific definition of pure socialism
demanding absolute purity and claiming anything else isnt socialist doesn’t result in socialism.
Pretending that socialism is “when the gubment does stuff” hasn’t resulted in socialism, either.
Quite frankly the entire world would become fascist before a single nation
Yes, that’s what political elites do when the power and privilege of the class they serve is threatened - and that includes the ones pretending to be “socialist.”
We’ve known this since forever - and your solution to this is to render an enduring political concept so impotent and hollow that it ceases to have any meaning to the very people it is supposed to liberate?
The solution is to be pragmatic and support various socialist groups when it makes sense to do so. For example I voted for Mamdani and I dont regret it whatsoever, obviously he’s not going to declare revolution and instate a pure socialist utopia.
The solution is to be pragmatic and support various socialist groups when it makes sense to do so.
And this excuses buying into tanies’ warped and self-serving narratives of what socialism is… how?
For example I voted for Mamdani
And If I was a New Yorker I would have voted for him as well… but that doesn’t mean I confuse him or the anti-democratic electoral spectacle he was a player in as having anything to do with socialism at all.
As an Anarchist even I have to acknowledge that to date the Soviet Union has been the most successful socialist state, of course I am also of the belief that if the Republicans in Spain or the Anarchists in Ukraine they would have established far more successful implementations of socialism. Still the fact remains that the Soviet Union was by all metrics available successful and even until the very end the majority of people in nearly every SSR supported keeping the Soviet Union alive (if not with reforms), they suffered CIA and western backed reactionary rebellions and I don’t belive any other socialist state would have handled it any better
(yes according to polling made by the reactionaries to gage how much the Soviet population wanted to end to the Soviet Union the majority did not, they promptly ignored the results)
The Republicans did win in Catalonia - that’s why anarchist Catalonia had essentially ceased to exist before any fascist even set foot in it.
And no…
…as an anarchist you should understand perfectly well that the USSR was about as “socialist” as the US is “democratic.”
Typo there I meant to say Anarchists in Catalonia, still the fact remains that demanding absolute purity and claiming anything else isnt socialist doesn’t result in socialism. That line of thinking objectively only results in the creation of more fascist states.
Quite frankly the entire world would become fascist before a single nation in the global south accepts your specific definition of pure socialism
Pretending that socialism is “when the gubment does stuff” hasn’t resulted in socialism, either.
Yes, that’s what political elites do when the power and privilege of the class they serve is threatened - and that includes the ones pretending to be “socialist.”
We’ve known this since forever - and your solution to this is to render an enduring political concept so impotent and hollow that it ceases to have any meaning to the very people it is supposed to liberate?
The solution is to be pragmatic and support various socialist groups when it makes sense to do so. For example I voted for Mamdani and I dont regret it whatsoever, obviously he’s not going to declare revolution and instate a pure socialist utopia.
And this excuses buying into tanies’ warped and self-serving narratives of what socialism is… how?
And If I was a New Yorker I would have voted for him as well… but that doesn’t mean I confuse him or the anti-democratic electoral spectacle he was a player in as having anything to do with socialism at all.