if they were socialist then the workers would own the means of production
Google “China Negative List Foreign Investment”. You might learn something about how Chinese federal laws guarantee domestic ownership of property and titles and understand why so much of the wealth generated within China remains within the Chinese working class.
They’re both just capitalist oligarchies with dictators
Is there a country in exist that you believe is Actually Existing Socialism, or are you going to shove your fingers in your ears and insist SEOs aren’t real, state central planning isn’t happening, democratic elections don’t count, and Marx didn’t say anything about the socialist transition in his writings.
I mean, Cuba had a bloody history and some rough years because of the US fucking them over, but they seem to be doing better now. I respect Cuba 1000x more than China. Unfortunately, they’re still a one-party state without free and fair elections. The Nordic model leads to much better outcomes, though that’s a mixed economy and I know you tankies fucking hate that.
I think the most telling indictment of the Chinese government is its failure to extend aid to its ideological allies abroad, whether that’s Cuba or Kashmir. But when you’re lifting 200M people at home out of poverty with industrial improvements and agricultural modernization, its hard to complain. Beijing has done an amazing job of not-getting-into-wars. More than the Russian Soviets managed by a long shot.
Unfortunately, they’re still a one-party state without free and fair elections.
You could say the same thing about California or Florida. What’s annoying is that “one-party state” is held up as some kind of indictment without regard to how popular the party is. Like, I hate Texas politics, but I’m not naive enough to believe the state lacks a Republican majority. I’m not going to hold Cuba to a higher standard, simply because they’re venerating Che Guevera instead of T. Boone Pickens.
Cuba has fair elections, and maintains extremely close ties with China out of solidarity. China has been providing solar panels and other means by which to help alleviate Cuba’s energy crisis right now.
The Nordic Model relies on imperialism to function. The social safety nets are funded by plundering the global south, and control of industry is kept in the hands of capitalists. They are less democratic than countries like Cuba and China, and serve as plunderers of the global south, unlike Cuba and China.
As such, the Nordic countries are declining alongside the general decay in western imperialism, while socialist countries like Cuba and China are rapidly improving.
I’m not surprised anti-communist western orgs don’t like Cuba. Cubans like Cuba, though, and participate in their elections to achieve the incredible results socialism can get them despite intense siege. The Meidner plan still relies on imperialism, and failed.
Google “China Negative List Foreign Investment”. You might learn something about how Chinese federal laws guarantee domestic ownership of property and titles and understand why so much of the wealth generated within China remains within the Chinese working class.
Is there a country in exist that you believe is Actually Existing Socialism, or are you going to shove your fingers in your ears and insist SEOs aren’t real, state central planning isn’t happening, democratic elections don’t count, and Marx didn’t say anything about the socialist transition in his writings.
I mean, Cuba had a bloody history and some rough years because of the US fucking them over, but they seem to be doing better now. I respect Cuba 1000x more than China. Unfortunately, they’re still a one-party state without free and fair elections. The Nordic model leads to much better outcomes, though that’s a mixed economy and I know you tankies fucking hate that.
I’m a Nordic Model to Meidner Plan kinda guy.
Imagine being this much of a western leftist, where you’re so racist you can’t recognize AES and just repeat the most obvious propaganda
I think the most telling indictment of the Chinese government is its failure to extend aid to its ideological allies abroad, whether that’s Cuba or Kashmir. But when you’re lifting 200M people at home out of poverty with industrial improvements and agricultural modernization, its hard to complain. Beijing has done an amazing job of not-getting-into-wars. More than the Russian Soviets managed by a long shot.
You could say the same thing about California or Florida. What’s annoying is that “one-party state” is held up as some kind of indictment without regard to how popular the party is. Like, I hate Texas politics, but I’m not naive enough to believe the state lacks a Republican majority. I’m not going to hold Cuba to a higher standard, simply because they’re venerating Che Guevera instead of T. Boone Pickens.
Cuba has fair elections, and maintains extremely close ties with China out of solidarity. China has been providing solar panels and other means by which to help alleviate Cuba’s energy crisis right now.
The Nordic Model relies on imperialism to function. The social safety nets are funded by plundering the global south, and control of industry is kept in the hands of capitalists. They are less democratic than countries like Cuba and China, and serve as plunderers of the global south, unlike Cuba and China.
As such, the Nordic countries are declining alongside the general decay in western imperialism, while socialist countries like Cuba and China are rapidly improving.
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I’m not surprised anti-communist western orgs don’t like Cuba. Cubans like Cuba, though, and participate in their elections to achieve the incredible results socialism can get them despite intense siege. The Meidner plan still relies on imperialism, and failed.