In what way? I’ve been using triple monitors for close to a decade now and my KDE switched from X11 to Wayland at some point without me noticing, so I’m wondering what I missed.
I have a surface pro 6 with mini display port out. The adjustment when plugging in the monitor is sometimes not remembered, but I believe that’s a gnome problem.
The real issue is that even today, some apps (Firefox, gedit, some terminals) don’t adjust their scaling to the new screen, which results in these apps having really, really microscopic text or super zoomed-in when they move from one to the other screen. Also the apps don’t sit nicely between one monitor and the next. And I think this might be a gnome thing, but moving apps between virtual desktops with both monitors plugged in is very weird, some move, some don’t.
I work in Linux as a daily driver for work and personal. I don’t care what the tools are, but they need to work and stay out of the way. Right now, Wayland implementation of multi monitor for my hardware is too much bother, I’ll try it again in a year.
I have no objections to Wayland itself, but I value the kind of stability xfce gives me, which is stable, predictable, and gets out of the way. Right now, on my hardware, Wayland/gnome is not there.
The fact that you’re comparing Wayland to XFCE tells us you’re not entirely sure what you’re doing. One is a compositor and the other is a desktop environment.
Your problems are with GNOME. I dont even think you could define what X11 and Wayland are based on your posts, much less articulate why one is better than the other
Start by reading about Wayland. Don’t make shit up and defend a position you can’t even articulate. It’s cringe.
I’ve been around long enough to have tried gnome on wayland way back when it was trying to use Weston as a compositor.
I’m well aware of what Wayland is and that my issue is with individual applications not playing nice with mutter’s handling of fractional scaling and not setting the correct mode.
And I’m not sure what it is you’re trying to accomplish by intimating that I don’t know what I’m talking about, but you can definitely take your horseshit elsewhere.
You’re a mess. Appealing to experience doesn’t work when you demonstrably have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m criticizing your reasoning for not using Wayland. You claimed there were tons of issues, it was unpolished, etc. But when pressed, all you could do was point to GNOME. You couldn’t even define the problem until someone told you the term fractional scaling.
Then you told us in your own words that you wanted to stick with “XFCE” instead of “Wayland”. The former is a DE. The latter is a series of protocols acting as a compositor. Why would you compare them? Nobody who actually understands these technologies would compare them. It’s nonsensical. You meant to say X11, not XFCE.
That leads me to the reason for my vigor: you’re making shit up to justify your stubbornness. Which doesn’t need justifying. Just say you’re stubborn without all the bullshit and you won’t look so silly.
I’m criticizing your reasoning for not using Wayland.
I thought you read my posts. You didn’t see that I use both Wayland and x11?
I don’t understand why you’re so bent on telling strangers they don’t know what they’re talking about. You don’t know me, you don’t know my exposure to Wayland nor my motivations for using Linux in the first place.
I’m not against wayland and I’ve never claimed to be, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that i’m “too stubborn” to move away from what I’m using.
You seem to have a real problem with assumptions, especially from people you don’t know. Have a better day, and stop taking out your frustrations on strangers.
Something KDE has done seems to have resolved the issues I used to have with DPI related scaling problems in Wayland. Once Plasma 6 hit, it’s been nothing but rapid improvements with Wayland as a focus and man does it feel nice.
That said, there’s virtually no downside to still using X unless you have explicit display features you need from Wayland like HDR or the per-display scaling. Xfce is stupid lightweight and still my default for anything where battery life is a benefit.
I noticed the same thing with KDE and Wayland. Sometimes my curser still grows 10 sizes or shrinks as I pass over certain windows or between monitors but things are more consistent and predictable than they used to be.
Ah, my monitors are all identical and stay plugged in all the time, so it’s a much less complicated use-case than yours.
I do have one issue where, because I picked the wrong 9070XT on launch day and couldn’t exchange it due to lack of availability, one of my monitors is on HDMI instead of DisplayPort and takes annoyingly longer to wake from sleep or change modes than the other two. But I think that’s more likely a hardware or driver problem than a Wayland one.
In what way? I’ve been using triple monitors for close to a decade now and my KDE switched from X11 to Wayland at some point without me noticing, so I’m wondering what I missed.
I have a surface pro 6 with mini display port out. The adjustment when plugging in the monitor is sometimes not remembered, but I believe that’s a gnome problem.
The real issue is that even today, some apps (Firefox, gedit, some terminals) don’t adjust their scaling to the new screen, which results in these apps having really, really microscopic text or super zoomed-in when they move from one to the other screen. Also the apps don’t sit nicely between one monitor and the next. And I think this might be a gnome thing, but moving apps between virtual desktops with both monitors plugged in is very weird, some move, some don’t.
I work in Linux as a daily driver for work and personal. I don’t care what the tools are, but they need to work and stay out of the way. Right now, Wayland implementation of multi monitor for my hardware is too much bother, I’ll try it again in a year.
I have no objections to Wayland itself, but I value the kind of stability xfce gives me, which is stable, predictable, and gets out of the way. Right now, on my hardware, Wayland/gnome is not there.
The fact that you’re comparing Wayland to XFCE tells us you’re not entirely sure what you’re doing. One is a compositor and the other is a desktop environment.
Your problems are with GNOME. I dont even think you could define what X11 and Wayland are based on your posts, much less articulate why one is better than the other
Start by reading about Wayland. Don’t make shit up and defend a position you can’t even articulate. It’s cringe.
I’ve been around long enough to have tried gnome on wayland way back when it was trying to use Weston as a compositor.
I’m well aware of what Wayland is and that my issue is with individual applications not playing nice with mutter’s handling of fractional scaling and not setting the correct mode.
And I’m not sure what it is you’re trying to accomplish by intimating that I don’t know what I’m talking about, but you can definitely take your horseshit elsewhere.
You’re a mess. Appealing to experience doesn’t work when you demonstrably have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m criticizing your reasoning for not using Wayland. You claimed there were tons of issues, it was unpolished, etc. But when pressed, all you could do was point to GNOME. You couldn’t even define the problem until someone told you the term fractional scaling.
Then you told us in your own words that you wanted to stick with “XFCE” instead of “Wayland”. The former is a DE. The latter is a series of protocols acting as a compositor. Why would you compare them? Nobody who actually understands these technologies would compare them. It’s nonsensical. You meant to say X11, not XFCE.
That leads me to the reason for my vigor: you’re making shit up to justify your stubbornness. Which doesn’t need justifying. Just say you’re stubborn without all the bullshit and you won’t look so silly.
I thought you read my posts. You didn’t see that I use both Wayland and x11?
I don’t understand why you’re so bent on telling strangers they don’t know what they’re talking about. You don’t know me, you don’t know my exposure to Wayland nor my motivations for using Linux in the first place.
I’m not against wayland and I’ve never claimed to be, so I’m not sure where you’re getting that i’m “too stubborn” to move away from what I’m using.
You seem to have a real problem with assumptions, especially from people you don’t know. Have a better day, and stop taking out your frustrations on strangers.
xfce isn’t a distro, it’s a desktop environment
very funny that you’re so aggro when you clearly have no fucking idea what you’re talking about
lol, they edited it
Something KDE has done seems to have resolved the issues I used to have with DPI related scaling problems in Wayland. Once Plasma 6 hit, it’s been nothing but rapid improvements with Wayland as a focus and man does it feel nice.
That said, there’s virtually no downside to still using X unless you have explicit display features you need from Wayland like HDR or the per-display scaling. Xfce is stupid lightweight and still my default for anything where battery life is a benefit.
I noticed the same thing with KDE and Wayland. Sometimes my curser still grows 10 sizes or shrinks as I pass over certain windows or between monitors but things are more consistent and predictable than they used to be.
Ah, my monitors are all identical and stay plugged in all the time, so it’s a much less complicated use-case than yours.
I do have one issue where, because I picked the wrong 9070XT on launch day and couldn’t exchange it due to lack of availability, one of my monitors is on HDMI instead of DisplayPort and takes annoyingly longer to wake from sleep or change modes than the other two. But I think that’s more likely a hardware or driver problem than a Wayland one.