I’ve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasn’t sure how to feel about it.

Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.

When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken “federation” system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it’s never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmy’s official docs say you can’t even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it won’t actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.

So you can only ever have the “average joe lemmy” and “average joe reddit” with everything approved by the authorities, and then “tor copies of lemmy” and “tor copies of reddit” where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.

People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it’s the exact same thing, it’s reddit.

When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn’t let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won’t let you talk at all.

Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.

It’s not actually a solution to reddit. It’s not designed to be different, it’s designed to match the past today and then match reddit’s present tomorrow, while being part of a system that’s about the same in past, present, and future.

Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There’s no difference here.

Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.

  • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
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    2 天前

    Not sure what you’re trying to say here. Get better at typing.

    4chan and Twitter are less censored than Reddit, but even more garbage.

    Is repeatedly lying making you feel better about any of this?

    I’m not lying. You just can’t read. I did not imply that nazis would somehow take over and censor a hypothetically unmoderated space.

    I don’t care, but your question baits me to say something you could try to use to justify getting me banned, which sucks. Try asking on nostr, where I can’t be banned, if you want my answer.

    I don’t see how that question baits you.

    What’s in it for me?

    You keep replying. I obviously don’t need to give you anything here.

    The colloquial one, originating from Terry Davis.

    So as I said: Where’s your evidence of lemmy.world mods being glowies?

    Do you read what you type?

    Yes. You did claim that lemmy.world mods are glowies. Source

    “So why do you think lemmy.world has rules beyond just blocking spam?”

    “Because it’s run by glowies, duh.”

    Didn’t ask. You should stop putting your own statements in quote marks, it’s weird.

    I’ll do whatever I like.

    Incorrect.

    Name me these reasons for them being pressured.

    Incorrect yet again. I’m basically the most fluent English speaker alive (and quite monolingual).

    You think you’re the best living english speaker on the planet?

    • iloveDigit@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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      2 天前

      4chan and Twitter are less censored than Reddit, but even more garbage.

      “Less censored” and “more garbage” are both heavily debatable, but why did you bring this up? What’s the relevance?

      I don’t see how that question baits you.

      That’s why I suggested you try asking on nostr, instead of here. It’s hard to know the answers to questions you’ve asked in places the person you’re asking knows it’s not really possible to give an appropriate answer.

      You keep replying. I obviously don’t need to give you anything here.

      I didn’t ask, but why did you put this right after a part where you ignored yet another question I asked? At least it was explicitly a rhetorical question this time, but still weird behavior to keep copying and pasting all the questions for no reason.

      So as I said: Where’s your evidence of lemmy.world mods being glowies?

      I’ll half-answer this if you answer one of the many questions you’ve ignored from me.

      Yes. You did claim that lemmy.world mods are glowies. Source

      Why are you acting like I suddenly forgot this?

      I’ll do whatever I like.

      I didn’t ask if you would.

      You should stop putting your own statements in quote marks, it’s weird.

      Name me these reasons for them being pressured.

      What do you mean by “these?”

      You think you’re the best living english speaker on the planet?

      Most fluent, that’s what the evidence suggests.

      • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
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        2 天前

        “Less censored” and “more garbage” are both heavily debatable, but why did you bring this up? What’s the relevance?

        It shows that we have a good idea what will happen without censorship.

        I didn’t ask, but why did you put this right after a part where you ignored yet another question I asked? At least it was explicitly a rhetorical question this time, but still weird behavior to keep copying and pasting all the questions for no reason.

        I don’t really give a fuck about your questions.

        I’ll half-answer this if you answer one of the many questions you’ve ignored from me.

        It’s pathetic that it took so many posts for you to finally acknowledge this question.

        What do you mean by “these?”

        What sort of comical Jordan Peterson style reply is this lmao

        Most fluent, that’s what the evidence suggests.

        Lmao what evidence fucking hell

        • iloveDigit@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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          2 天前

          It shows that we have a good idea what will happen without censorship.

          How would it do that? How does it do that?

          I don’t really give a fuck about your questions.

          I didn’t ask if you do.

          It’s pathetic that it took so many posts for you to finally acknowledge this question.

          How many?

          Also, is there a way to tell if (or maybe when) a post here is edited, so you could prove your answer with numbered links?

          What sort of comical Jordan Peterson style reply is this lmao

          Neither comical nor Jordan Peterson style.

          If I remember right you said “these rules” but it was a question, so it’s acting like I somehow know what set of rules you mean when you didn’t establish a group of rules to be talking about before calling it “these rules”

          Lmao what evidence fucking hell

          The lack of anyone else demonstrating the same level of fluency as me despite what seems like immense pressure to do so in the current state of the anglosphere / planet

          • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
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            2 天前

            How would it do that? How does it do that?

            By being less censored than Reddit, and both being complete garbage and full of slop, spam and trolls.

            The lack of anyone else demonstrating the same level of fluency as me despite what seems like immense pressure to do so in the current state of the anglosphere / planet

            How would they do that? You’ve spoken to everyone to know that you have better fluency?

            Also, is there a way to tell if (or maybe when) a post here is edited, so you could prove your answer with numbered links?

            Why should I do that?

            If I remember right you said “these rules” but it was a question, so it’s acting like I somehow know what set of rules you mean when you didn’t establish a group of rules to be talking about before calling it “these rules”

            No, it wasn’t.

            I was asking what pressure the lemmy.world admins were supposedly under when they made the instance.

            • iloveDigit@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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              2 天前

              By being less censored than Reddit, and both being complete garbage and full of slop, spam and trolls.

              If that was all true, I still don’t see how it would answer my question.

              How would they do that?

              Same ways as me, I guess (except more)

              You’ve spoken to everyone to know that you have better fluency?

              Your fluency is so bad that’s what you thought I said?

              Or are you just a deeply dishonest person?

              Why should I do that?

              Do what? You put this after the part where you copied and pasted me asking if there’s a way to prove your answer with numbered links - are you asking me what the burden of proof is yet again? Why do you keep acting like you need things repeated so many times? And you still didn’t answer the question, is there a way to tell if (or maybe when) a post here is edited?

              No, it wasn’t.

              Incorrect. It was.

              I was asking what pressure the lemmy.world admins were supposedly under when they made the instance.

              I didn’t ask what you had been asking at the time, and putting this after the “no, it wasnt” makes it seem like this is all supposed to flow together to someone who’s not paying attention. But it’s weird to do this manipulative stuff for “someone who’s not paying attention” because, once again I tell you brother, it is pretty much just us this deep into this subthread so far.

              • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
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                2 天前

                If that was all true, I still don’t see how it would answer my question.

                It’s closer to being uncensored than Reddit or the Fediverse.

                Same ways as me, I guess (except more)

                What a non-answer.

                Your fluency is so bad that’s what you thought I said?

                If you haven’t spoken to everyone, then how can you know that you are the most fluent English speaker on the planet?

                Do what? You put this after the part where you copied and pasted me asking if there’s a way to prove your answer with numbered links - are you asking me what the burden of proof is yet again? Why do you keep acting like you need things repeated so many times? And you still didn’t answer the question, is there a way to tell if (or maybe when) a post here is edited?

                I did none of this. My dude, you don’t even know how to check if a post is edited and you’re coming up with grand plans for how the future of Lemmy should go.

                Incorrect. It was.

                No, it wasn’t.

                I didn’t ask what you had been asking at the time, and putting this after the “no, it wasnt” makes it seem like this is all supposed to flow together to someone who’s not paying attention. But it’s weird to do this manipulative stuff for “someone who’s not paying attention” because, once again I tell you brother, it is pretty much just us this deep into this subthread so far.

                Whatever this slop is above me, it’s not an answer. I was asking what pressure the lemmy.world admins were supposedly under when they made the instance.

                • iloveDigit@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
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                  2 天前

                  It’s closer to being uncensored than Reddit or the Fediverse.

                  What is?

                  What a non-answer.

                  What is?

                  If you haven’t spoken to everyone, then how can you know that you are the most fluent English speaker on the planet?

                  I don’t really care for riddles.

                  I did none of this.

                  I assume this is a response to me pointing out something you did. Why lie?

                  My dude, you don’t even know how to check if a post is edited and you’re coming up with grand plans for how the future of Lemmy should go.

                  Didn’t ask.

                  No, it wasn’t.

                  What wasn’t what?

                  Whatever this slop is above me, it’s not an answer.

                  I probably didn’t ask what you thought about it. Why waste time typing that?

                  I was asking what pressure the lemmy.world admins were supposedly under when they made the instance.

                  Today’s capitalism making people need money to survive, authorities threatening to arrest people who run websites that host “child porn,” etc.

                  Why do you keep asking such dumb questions?

                  • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
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                    2 天前

                    My god, you’ve forgotten almost everything spoken about merely a few posts beforehand.

                    Today’s capitalism making people need money to survive, authorities threatening to arrest people who run websites that host “child porn,” etc.

                    I don’t think lemmy.world admins want to host child porn in the first place. Like my assumption is that the reason they don’t is not just because its against the law, but also because they just don’t want to - because they’re opposed to child porn at a moral level. So this isn’t really a “pressure” if they happen to agree with the law, and have no problem following it.