I’ve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasn’t sure how to feel about it.

Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.

When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken “federation” system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it’s never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmy’s official docs say you can’t even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it won’t actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.

So you can only ever have the “average joe lemmy” and “average joe reddit” with everything approved by the authorities, and then “tor copies of lemmy” and “tor copies of reddit” where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.

People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it’s the exact same thing, it’s reddit.

When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn’t let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won’t let you talk at all.

Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.

It’s not actually a solution to reddit. It’s not designed to be different, it’s designed to match the past today and then match reddit’s present tomorrow, while being part of a system that’s about the same in past, present, and future.

Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There’s no difference here.

Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.

  • iloveDigit@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    Go add Tor support, it’s a better use of your time, https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy

    Incorrect. Sharing important information online is a good use of my time. Contributing code to non-P2P internet stuff is a bad use of my time. Bad is worse than good. “Better” is the opposite of “worse.”

    Or add to the docs how each individual instance can connect over Tor.

    That’s more in line with what would be a good use of my time, but wouldn’t it be more fitting for someone who has the information on hand to do it?

    Like, if you’re about to explain it to me so I can copy and paste your explanation into the docs, why not just put it in the docs yourself?

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      "Lmao, I’m too important to work on this thing I want! Everyone else should do it for me!

      Do it! Do it NOW!"

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              There isn’t. That’s my point. You are thumping the table and making demands and no-one has any reason to do anything.

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                Incorrect, and seems like shallower projection / more embarrassingly dumb gaslighting than you’ve mostly been doing.

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                  Okay, so you’re not making demands. So what now then? It’s not going to happen unless you do it yourself, or somehow convince Lemmy to change direction (unlikely).

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                    Okay, so you’re not making demands. So what now then?

                    Currently answering yet another dumb question you can’t possibly have really needed to ask.

                    It’s not going to happen unless you do it yourself, or somehow convince Lemmy to change direction

                    Incorrect. Someone else could also do it themselves or “convince Lemmy to change direction” (i.e. pay a dev to do a fork or whatever you mean?)

                    (unlikely)

                    Incorrect. “Convincing Lemmy to change direction” (i.e. paying a dev to do a fork or whatever you mean) is the type of thing I kinda tend to do