• RebekahWSD@lemmy.world
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    I learned about this in school and it broke the little trust I had in cops (I was raised sheltered and white). Any lingering trust was broken when I talked to my mothers (now ex) cop friend. Spiteful shitty person she was.

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      Most Statesians lose their faith in cops/country in a similar way. There’s a reason US high schools don’t teach recent history. If it’s far enough back like the early 1900’s or 1800’s then you can rationalize it with platitudes like “it was a different time back then” or “we hadn’t evolved as a society yet”. Lot harder to rationalize away when it was only 40 years ago.

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        So they no longer teach recent history? Sucks. I think I’m now at an age where I can go terrorize a school board. My mother will be delighted!

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          Civic engagement is always good. Some high schools will have some things in the textbooks but class curricula never get that far, preferring to leave off around WWII or the second red scare at latest if they even touch the 1900’s.

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            Weird. I know we went up to the then current Desert Storm stuff. Well. Almost current. And watched American History X in class.

            Scarring as it should be.

            Then I remember that was twenty years ago and get very sad.

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    Notable Lines:

    “Attention MOVE: This is America. You have to abide by the laws of the United States.” They were given 15 minutes to come out.

    Police used more than 10,000 rounds of ammunition. At 2 p.m., Sambor ordered that the compound be bombed.

    Ramona Africa said that police fired at those trying to escape.

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      Just as they did in Waco.
      Defiance of the US regime has to be made into an example and crushed in the most violent way.

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      They also reportedly blocked fire trucks from getting to the fire and are still tying up litigation claiming that they shouldn’t have to pay for the damage to the rest of the destroyed block from the resulting fire.

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        They also refused to release the remains of the people killed, denying they retained any. Eventually, the University of Pennsylvania admitted to retaining some of the remains of 12 year old Delisha Africa and returned them to her family, in 2021.

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          also this: “The court decided that the plaintiffs did not have a Fourth Amendment claim against the city because there was no seizure when the defendants dropped explosives on the plaintiffs’ buildings, and that city officials and police officers had qualified immunity”

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    I am not defending the Philadelphia PDs actions here, which were clearly inappropriate, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say they “murdered” 11 people. If the PD kills someone while trying to serve an arrest warrant after being shot at, that is pretty clearly a lawful homicide and not murder. The death of the children could certainly be considered manslaughter but I don’t think it meets the standard for murder either since there was, arguably, no intention to kill them.

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      thanks officer pig

      Certainly the best way to “serve an arrest warrant”.
      Who coul’ve imagined innocent men, women and children would die horribly from this:
      serve an arrest warrant

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      So it seems like you’re something of an expert on this subject, and that being the case maybe you can help answer a question I’ve had for a while:

      Do different boot leathers have different tastes, or is it more of a texture thing?

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      I am not defending the Philadelphia PDs actions here

      That’s literally what you’re doing. Literally.

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      Sometimes I wonder how the us has gotten away with its too numerous to count war crimes and crimes against humanity; and then, like magic, one of you appear.

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        I literally said I am not defending the police department. People should absolutely have gone to jail for this, but explain to me how it’s murder for a police officer to shoot and kill someone who shot at them first, while legally trying to serve a warrant.

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      My brother in Christ, they were charged with useing excessive force and burned down a huge part of a neighborhood. Fuck off out of here with that god awful take.

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      A brutal atrocity committed by a police department and your reaction is to “Well, AKTSHUALLY”, where’s your goddamn sense of empathy man?

      Calling the bombing of a neighbourhood simply “inappropriate” is fucked and I fear for your humanity. “Inappropriate” is when I fart at the dinner table, not when one uses bombs on other humans.

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      You don’t think dropping bombs counts as intent to kill? I think they were careless enough regarding collateral damage to say they killed the victims.