UBI, or universal basic income, is a form of direct cash assistance to help the most vulnerable get back on their feet. A new study in Denver suggests it works.
You know that UBI is cheaper than policing the problems that runaway wealth disparity causes, right? UBI also means that employers cannot easily exploit workers with the threat of destitution, meaning that wages, including yours, go up. It also makes society more pleasant as people with prospects turn to drugs or crime less frequently.
The only people UBI doesn’t benefit, is the absurdly wealthy. Your myopic worldview has you voting against your own interests.
Lots of people pick up garbage “for fun”. Where “for fun” means “because they care and it’s the right thing to do”. And by lots, I mean it’s such a common thing there are thousands of organisations around the world who do it. There are multiple national days in many, many countries based around picking up garbage. I myself have organised several beach clean-ups for a local group as part of a larger nation-wide beach clean up day.
Look up the organisation “Trash Hero” for another example.
Then there’s the engineers who work on ways to clean up the Pacific Garbage Patch.
There’s people who clean up slobs’ tables in fast food places because it doesn’t take any extra time to help out when you were going to do it anyway.
The point is: who picks up garbage for fun? Everyone else but you.
As for nurses… there are huge international volunteer organisations based around doctors and nurses volunteering their time. How have you never heard of any of this before?
Maybe you’d like to explain who and why people would choose to work when they entirely don’t have to?
Two reasons:
UBI provides a baseline level of income to keep people out of poverty. But people tend to want more than just the basics, and deciding to work provides additional income for luxuries.
People, in general, are inherently motivated to create, and will do so without the threat of death on the streets. Meaning people will still voluntarily work, only they will do so on their terms.
But also, with the increasing levels of automation possible, human labour is needed less and less to fulfil our needs. We need to decouple being able to live from employment. Because the path we are currently on involves artificially increasing consumption and creating meaningless jobs to justify paying people enough money to live.
What do you mean doubt? That people often choose to work more to afford more stuff is utterly uncontroversial. That’s how the capitalist system is argued in favour of today.
On the other hand if you are admitting that capitalism forces people to labour under the threat of death, then it is an evil system, and morally must be eradicated.
Well it’s a nice utopian thought but not realistic.
Because of troglodytes like yourself. Here I thought you were asking in good faith. Serves me right.
No. It isn’t. Some people? Sure. Many people already live off of welfare and already choose not to work.
Yes. It is utterly uncontroversial. Most people aspire to have some luxuries in their life. And people go the extra mile to afford them. The fact that some people are on welfare, which often effectively prohibits even small amounts of work those people might otherwise want to do, doesn’t change that.
And who cares if some small proportion of people just want the basics and aren’t willing to work more? Do you literally want to force them with death to make them work? Why? They don’t want to be there, they’re unhappy to be there, they aren’t motivated, they aren’t productive. And I don’t blame them!
And now you think I’m not? Why? Because I didn’t roll over and agree with everything you said?
Because you responded to something easily observable with the brainless “doubt”.
You are either trolling or just remarkably stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
And who cares if some small proportion of people just want the basics and aren’t willing to work more?
Not “work more”. Work at all. Because society needs people to work to function. Money doesn’t grow on trees, it represents other people’s time. If there’s no time, there’s no money. Money just becomes completely without value .
Do you literally want to force them with death to make them work?
What even the fuck are you talking about?
Because you responded to something easily observable with the brainless “doubt”.
Buddy your position is the only thing here that’s brainless.
You are either trolling or just remarkably stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
I see we’re persisting with the personal insults. I think it’s pretty clear you have no interest in an honest and productive discussion and simply desire to lambast those who disagree with you. I have no interest in such a discussion, so you can be gone, thanks.
And yet you’re expected to pay for UBI nonetheless…
You know that UBI is cheaper than policing the problems that runaway wealth disparity causes, right? UBI also means that employers cannot easily exploit workers with the threat of destitution, meaning that wages, including yours, go up. It also makes society more pleasant as people with prospects turn to drugs or crime less frequently.
The only people UBI doesn’t benefit, is the absurdly wealthy. Your myopic worldview has you voting against your own interests.
No, I don’t know any of that.
Maybe you’d like to explain who and why people would choose to work when they entirely don’t have to?
Same reason people have hobbies… they like doing things.
What your concern really should be is, who would work for an asshole like you when they don’t have to. The answer is they won’t, get fucked.
LOL your hobbies are not work…
Man I guess nobody ever made money woodworking, welding, programming…
Possibly, but they wouldn’t do it 8 hours/day by choice. Anyone who has made what they love doing into their job will tell you this.
Nobody picks up garbage for fun. Whos going to pick up the garbage? Who’s going to wait tables? Who’s going to be a nurse?
Lots of people pick up garbage “for fun”. Where “for fun” means “because they care and it’s the right thing to do”. And by lots, I mean it’s such a common thing there are thousands of organisations around the world who do it. There are multiple national days in many, many countries based around picking up garbage. I myself have organised several beach clean-ups for a local group as part of a larger nation-wide beach clean up day.
Look up the organisation “Trash Hero” for another example.
Then there’s the engineers who work on ways to clean up the Pacific Garbage Patch.
There’s people who clean up slobs’ tables in fast food places because it doesn’t take any extra time to help out when you were going to do it anyway.
The point is: who picks up garbage for fun? Everyone else but you.
As for nurses… there are huge international volunteer organisations based around doctors and nurses volunteering their time. How have you never heard of any of this before?
He’s a dumb prick with his head in the sand, that’s how.
Antisocial people, prosocial people, and people that want to be nurses?
You wouldn’t drive a garbage truck? Think about the things you could watch get crushed.
If your only motivation to do things is survival you lead a sad life.
You bring up another point, a lot of stuff doesn’t need to be done 8 hours a day.
You guys are a fuckin’ riot 🤣
Two reasons:
But also, with the increasing levels of automation possible, human labour is needed less and less to fulfil our needs. We need to decouple being able to live from employment. Because the path we are currently on involves artificially increasing consumption and creating meaningless jobs to justify paying people enough money to live.
Doubt.
Well it’s a nice utopian thought but not realistic.
What do you mean doubt? That people often choose to work more to afford more stuff is utterly uncontroversial. That’s how the capitalist system is argued in favour of today.
On the other hand if you are admitting that capitalism forces people to labour under the threat of death, then it is an evil system, and morally must be eradicated.
Because of troglodytes like yourself. Here I thought you were asking in good faith. Serves me right.
No. It isn’t. Some people? Sure. Many people already live off of welfare and already choose not to work.
The personal attacks are uncalled for…
And now you think I’m not? Why? Because I didn’t roll over and agree with everything you said?
Yes. It is utterly uncontroversial. Most people aspire to have some luxuries in their life. And people go the extra mile to afford them. The fact that some people are on welfare, which often effectively prohibits even small amounts of work those people might otherwise want to do, doesn’t change that.
And who cares if some small proportion of people just want the basics and aren’t willing to work more? Do you literally want to force them with death to make them work? Why? They don’t want to be there, they’re unhappy to be there, they aren’t motivated, they aren’t productive. And I don’t blame them!
Because you responded to something easily observable with the brainless “doubt”.
You are either trolling or just remarkably stupid. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Not “work more”. Work at all. Because society needs people to work to function. Money doesn’t grow on trees, it represents other people’s time. If there’s no time, there’s no money. Money just becomes completely without value .
What even the fuck are you talking about?
Buddy your position is the only thing here that’s brainless.
I see we’re persisting with the personal insults. I think it’s pretty clear you have no interest in an honest and productive discussion and simply desire to lambast those who disagree with you. I have no interest in such a discussion, so you can be gone, thanks.