• OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
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    Is it actually reducing harm to fight to the last Ukrainian though? There were multiple attempts at peace that were sabotaged by either nazi paramilitaries or nato-member politicians. Remember when Zelensky traveled to the front to tell them to respect the ceasefire during Minsk 2 and they didn’t? Maybe the people sabotaging peace would be less bold knowing the US isn’t going to keep supplying arms.

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      Is it actually reducing harm to fight to the last Ukrainian though?

      When Russia is trying to commit genocide against Ukraine? Yes.

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          It’s been widely reported by numerous nations and organizations. Search for “Russian genocide Ukraine” and you’ll see plenty of credible sources

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              I’m wondering if you just posted the link without reading any results and are just doubling down to sound correct.

              One of the first articles is AP news reporting UN backed human rights groups calling it genocide

              https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-human-rights-663b3a4ba24499d93f3f889e98f8b652

              And an article by Time reporting the kidnapping of children being investigated as genocide, and that there is already enough evidence for the allegations

              https://time.com/6262903/russia-ukraine-genocide-war-crimes/

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                None of these articles formally come to the conclusion that there is a definitive genocide. They are meant to bait racist bloodthirsty rubes like you to into acting on your biases.

                Members of the U.N. Independent Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine also expressed concerns about allegations of genocide by Russian forces, and said they’re looking into them.

                expressed concerns about allegations

                looking into them

                Keep hallucinating wishfully.

                From statista:

                The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) verified a total of 9,614 civilian deaths during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine as of September, 2023. Furthermore, 17,535 people were reported to have been injured. However, OHCHR specified that the real numbers could be higher.

                Even if these estimates are extremely conservative they are low for a genocide. Perhaps Russians are just terrible at genocide and should learn from Americans.

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                    The links provided literally claim war crimes, they do not claim genocide.

                    Also Stalin did some terrible things but comparing him to Putin is ridiculous.

                    https://discomfiting.medium.com/holodomor-fact-or-fiction-17324ffe1d46

                    ‚In addition, and despite some people (i.e., Norman Naimark) saying “The Soviet Union made no efforts to provide relief”, reports show that the Central Soviet Authorities sent hundreds of thousands of tonnes of food aid to Ukraine. In early February of 1933, Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk regions each received 3,300 tonnes of food aid. By the end of February, the Dnipropetrovsk region received 20,000 tonnes of food aid, Odessa received around 13,000 tonnes, and Kharkiv received almost 5,000 tonnes. Reports document that from February to June in the year of 1933, over 500,000 tonnes of food aid was sent to Ukraine. According to archived documents, Joseph Stalin himself, along with Molotov, personally took it upon themselves to scold Joseph Vareikis, First Secretary of the Voronezh Regional Committee of the CPSU, on March 31st of 1933 for his objection to sending 26,000 pounds of potatoes to the Donbass region of Ukraine. These behaviors including, but not limited to, sending food aid and at that personally intervening to ensure food aid is being given, is fairly odd or strange behavior for, as the “holodomor-genocide” campaigners would say, a “genocidal maniac who wanted to kill Ukrainians”. Truly, there was no reason for Stalin to go as far as personally intervening in that situation as he did to ensure food aid was sent to Ukraine if he was genuinely trying to create a famine to crush Ukraine.‘

                    You can also find archived docs of that time where the exact numbers and policies are described; it’s in Cyrillic though.

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      multiple attempts at peace

      What were the terms of this peace? Do you have sources to back up your claims?

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          No I am not. Would you kindly explain and provide sources for this and all your other claims?

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            No, I think it is reasonable for you to go out and research two well known and easily researchable treaties. I am not your secretary.

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              I think it is reasonable for me to expect the burden of proof to be on the person making the claims.