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- linux@programming.dev
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- linux@programming.dev
Was surprised no one bothered to post this give how big of a reaction this story got.
Wanted to post the update and correction cause that deserves to be seen just as much. This seems like a reasonable, thoughtful handling of the issue.
I still don’t really wanna use Ubuntu though 😅
Ubuntu has a diversity policy to explicitly welcome and encourage participation, mentioning that they explicitly honor diversity in sexual orientation among other things. It does not explicitly mention queerness.
A moderator made a bad a call. It sounds like there may have been some confusion about the word queer used as a slur vs a self-identification.
I think that things would be far better if these type of informations should not be disclosed by anyone in context like this, where they are irrelevant.
Normalizing diversity is critically important.
And what better way to normalize diversity in this context than ignore everything but the code you submit ? We are talking about code, not personal issues.
I mean, I don’t care that the bus driver who take me to the office this morning is gay/trans/whatever, why I should care about this for the person that send me a code contribution ? Being queer make the code inherently better ? Or bad code should be accepted because a queer person send it ?
As I see it, you send good code it is merged, you send bad code it is refused and, most importantly, it was explained why the code is not good enough to be accepted. Nowhere in this flow knowing that you are a queer has any importance.
That’s hiding it, not normalizing it.
No, that’s treating you as a normal person irregardless of the private aspects of your life. You are free to disclose them and I am free to ignore them since in this context I don’t care, and I don’t see why I should care, about them.
Else explain to me how being a queer/gay/trans/whatever impact on the submitted code or contribution.
The impact on submitting code is entirely besides the point.
It’s not normalizing it if nobody knows. That’s just a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.
Why in this context I need to know that ? And why in this context I would like to ask about this ? How it is pertinent ?
My point is simply that there are situations where these kind of information are not needed nor usefull. I am not saying that this is valid everywhere and every time but that there are places where knowing that the person you are talking to is a queer is important, situation where it is not important and situation where merely asking for that information is dangerous.
In my view, on the Ubuntu’s discourse this is an information that is not relevant nor usefull to know.
Do you want to consider it as a “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy ? Fine, I just try to treat people like they deserve in any case and to do this I don’t need to know these informations, a queer is a normal person to me when it comes to interact with him/her/whatever.
Sure, maybe you don’t need to put your sexual identity in a post asking for help configuring nginx, but in an introductory post where you’re explicitly describing yourself… Yeah, I think you should be allowed to mention your sexuality.