I think you mean the way workers organize themselves? Like at my workplace our internal organization among coworkers is voluntary and friendly, but our employment is very much not.
I’m sure there are people for whom the arrangement of being laborers is not distressing, but the fact that they’re in that position at all is coerced by the fact that they need income to acquire the basic needs of life. It’s like how slavery is still bad even if many of the slaves are treated well. Maybe they would be doing something else if they weren’t forced to work for someone else, but we’ll never know because they don’t really have a choice.
I wouldn’t exactly call the workplace voluntary though? When the alternative is to be without “legitimate” access to primary needs like food, shelter, healthcare, etc.
Id say it’s more coercive than anything.
But yeah voluntarily hierarchies still exist, it’s just that normally they’re meant to dissolve. Like a student-teacher hierarchy
Gestures wildly towards workplaces
Workplaces, at least under capitalism, aren’t a voluntary hierarchy. You have to sell your labour to survive.
The acceptance of hierarchy, as I have often seen, is very often even wanted.
I think you mean the way workers organize themselves? Like at my workplace our internal organization among coworkers is voluntary and friendly, but our employment is very much not.
Well no, I’m talking about lots of people who gladly just sits at their level at work accepting the manager is the decider etc.
I’m sure there are people for whom the arrangement of being laborers is not distressing, but the fact that they’re in that position at all is coerced by the fact that they need income to acquire the basic needs of life. It’s like how slavery is still bad even if many of the slaves are treated well. Maybe they would be doing something else if they weren’t forced to work for someone else, but we’ll never know because they don’t really have a choice.
Yes, because these people need to pay rent
Everyone needs to pay rent and eat, but that was not the question.
That’s different, workplaces buy your time from you.
That doesn’t mean we go there involuntarily. Femdom also gives you something back.
I wouldn’t exactly call the workplace voluntary though? When the alternative is to be without “legitimate” access to primary needs like food, shelter, healthcare, etc.
Id say it’s more coercive than anything.
But yeah voluntarily hierarchies still exist, it’s just that normally they’re meant to dissolve. Like a student-teacher hierarchy
Is it possible for those needs to be met systematically without some kind of coercion?
In theory, yes. In practice, you’ve just been visited by a CIA backed coup.
What’s the theory?
Yes with communism! Free food!
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The acceptance of the hierarchy is not always but often volontairy. Or that is what I have seen, a lot.