I get what you mean, so i am rooting for the fascist regime to lose as fast as possible. Also being conscripted does not free from the responsibility for participation in war crimes, as established in Nuremburg “i was following orders” is not sufficient line of defense.
If you analyze this on the level of “good side” vs “bad side” no wonder you don’t get it, but even in this lens guys with totenkopfs who revere genociders like Bandera and SS Galizien, got their government handpicked by monster like Victoria Nuland and sell their country to Blackrock will still be “bad side”.
I don’t analyze it as good or bad, there are plenty of far right guys in the Russian army, they’re just better at keeping that locked down. I honestly you’re doing the same thing you accuse me of doing. You’re just finding evidence of Nazis in the Ukrainian army and saying look bad. I know the Ukrainian army is full of far right freaks, literally every army is. Far right nationalist freaks love the army doesn’t matter which country you’re in.
I don’t think the Ukraine under Russia would be any better than Ukraine under the USA, I think people just enjoy looting the country. I don’t see a difference between two competing bourgeoise parties scrambling to control a very corrupt country.
It’s not about Ukraine , that’s just the playing field. The west did a coup to use Ukraine to move position east, there would not have been a war at all if that was not the case. People smarter than me have been warning about the coming war in Ukraine since the 90s
I’m aware, but either way this war doesn’t seem to revolutionary in anyway, it’s just two opposing capitalist countries fighting. I’m not really rooting for either side. I don’t know if either side has the Ukrainians people’s best interest at heart. The Russian bourgeoise was just robbing Ukraine and now the American bourgeoise are just using them as cannon fodder.
Fuck all those people.
Of course it’s not and I get your point , Russia sucks. However critical support against the western imperialism is wanted. if west gets their way they will take over. It’s like a turf war all over the planet. Would you want a world were US imperialism and fascism stands unopposed? I wouldn’t. I’ve rather have a balance of terror than just terror. Even if I don’t like the players of this game which they so psychoticly enjoy playing with us. Besides that there is the fact that one side has a more expansional agenda than the other one.
The thing is this isn’t an anti imperialist war. Russia doesn’t have some revolutionary army that is going to free any one from imperialism. It’s literally just two bourgeoise armies fighting. So I don’t support either side and neither should any one who calls themselves a Leninist ( I’m not a Leninist.) Any one who makes any excuse for either side is just a propagandist, plain and simple, just because some people can on this website can see through American bullshit doesn’t mean they’re not a propagandist. The frag your CO memes all apply to the Russian side as much as the Ukrainian side. Bourgeoise war is bourgeoise war, there is no winner for a normal person here. They’re just waiting to see which jack boot will stamp on their face.
If you really think Putins Russia is anti fascist just because they’re defunding their turf so they can keep looting Ukraine then idk what to tell you other than you’re a war propagandist. Also how will this war help any leftist movement? It won’t. Both the Ukrainians and Russians hate leftists. The communist party in Russia is essentially just controlled opposition and when people formed Soviet’s in eastern Ukraine Putin had them killed. Supporting either side in this war does nothing for me, the average Russian or the average Ukrainian and by doing that all you’re doing is helping one shitty government kill the citizens of another .
I mean, I feel sorry for people who get propagandised and convinced to die for a fruitless cause but maybe that’s just me.
I get what you mean, so i am rooting for the fascist regime to lose as fast as possible. Also being conscripted does not free from the responsibility for participation in war crimes, as established in Nuremburg “i was following orders” is not sufficient line of defense.
Idk to me this is a stereo typical bourgeois war. I don’t think there is a good side really.
If you analyze this on the level of “good side” vs “bad side” no wonder you don’t get it, but even in this lens guys with totenkopfs who revere genociders like Bandera and SS Galizien, got their government handpicked by monster like Victoria Nuland and sell their country to Blackrock will still be “bad side”.
Ukrainian Communist Party support the Russian involvment in the war.
Further reading: https://arkansasworker.com/is-russia-imperialist/
https://thecommunists.org/2022/04/11/news/theory/who-benefits-falsely-labelling-russia-imperialist-ukraine-war/
https://mronline.org/2022/04/19/one-less-traitor/
https://archive.fo/DaRXI
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230721/the-truth-about-ukrainian-war-crimes-against-donbass-civilians-1112031958.html
https://consortiumnews.com/2025/02/25/ukraine-timeline-tells-the-tale/
I don’t analyze it as good or bad, there are plenty of far right guys in the Russian army, they’re just better at keeping that locked down. I honestly you’re doing the same thing you accuse me of doing. You’re just finding evidence of Nazis in the Ukrainian army and saying look bad. I know the Ukrainian army is full of far right freaks, literally every army is. Far right nationalist freaks love the army doesn’t matter which country you’re in.
That is a complete deflection, you ignored mine and denied your previous post. Typical ultra/lib answer.
Perhaps. Killing them is still justified. The forced conscription is done by the regime the west installed after the coup.
I don’t think the Ukraine under Russia would be any better than Ukraine under the USA, I think people just enjoy looting the country. I don’t see a difference between two competing bourgeoise parties scrambling to control a very corrupt country.
It’s not about Ukraine , that’s just the playing field. The west did a coup to use Ukraine to move position east, there would not have been a war at all if that was not the case. People smarter than me have been warning about the coming war in Ukraine since the 90s
I’m aware, but either way this war doesn’t seem to revolutionary in anyway, it’s just two opposing capitalist countries fighting. I’m not really rooting for either side. I don’t know if either side has the Ukrainians people’s best interest at heart. The Russian bourgeoise was just robbing Ukraine and now the American bourgeoise are just using them as cannon fodder. Fuck all those people.
Of course it’s not and I get your point , Russia sucks. However critical support against the western imperialism is wanted. if west gets their way they will take over. It’s like a turf war all over the planet. Would you want a world were US imperialism and fascism stands unopposed? I wouldn’t. I’ve rather have a balance of terror than just terror. Even if I don’t like the players of this game which they so psychoticly enjoy playing with us. Besides that there is the fact that one side has a more expansional agenda than the other one.
The thing is this isn’t an anti imperialist war. Russia doesn’t have some revolutionary army that is going to free any one from imperialism. It’s literally just two bourgeoise armies fighting. So I don’t support either side and neither should any one who calls themselves a Leninist ( I’m not a Leninist.) Any one who makes any excuse for either side is just a propagandist, plain and simple, just because some people can on this website can see through American bullshit doesn’t mean they’re not a propagandist. The frag your CO memes all apply to the Russian side as much as the Ukrainian side. Bourgeoise war is bourgeoise war, there is no winner for a normal person here. They’re just waiting to see which jack boot will stamp on their face.
If you really think Putins Russia is anti fascist just because they’re defunding their turf so they can keep looting Ukraine then idk what to tell you other than you’re a war propagandist. Also how will this war help any leftist movement? It won’t. Both the Ukrainians and Russians hate leftists. The communist party in Russia is essentially just controlled opposition and when people formed Soviet’s in eastern Ukraine Putin had them killed. Supporting either side in this war does nothing for me, the average Russian or the average Ukrainian and by doing that all you’re doing is helping one shitty government kill the citizens of another .