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  • masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 days ago

    We never beat them.

    The west ensured that Nazism survived, filling the ranks of West Germany’s security services with them and then institutionalising fascist terrorist groups all throughout Europe through it’s “Gladio” networks. Japan’s economy was essentially just handed back to the very same pack of colonialists and industrialists that had fuelled Japan’s imperialism in the 20s.

    Hell, even the Romanian Communist Party got in on the act - those vicious Iron Guard bastards were just too good at torture and murder to pass up, I guess.

    So no… we never beat them.

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      Maybe it’s too pedantic of me but I think we beat them. We failed to fix the corrupted system that spawned them. The inequity and the propaganda, The oligarchs pitting a us against each other. Marginalizing groups as scapegoats.

      We (the US) let those little those freedom checks and balances we were touted in school be destroyed with barely a whimper

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        You’re wrong, they did not fail it was intentionally.

        US/UK made sure plenty of fascists escaped after surrendering to them.
        Kept them in power in all of Europe with a slap on the wrist at most.
        How many nazis where trialed at the Nuremberg virtue signaling trials? 24.
        NATO literally had fascist regimes in it, Spain, Portugal, Greece.
        Even leading NATO/EU and various countries. .

        All of this has been swept under the carpet.

        https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich
        https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2024/01/12/nato-as-seen-from-one-who-grew-up-under-us-sponsored-neofascism-unherd/
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo

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        3 days ago

        Scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds - see, that’s how you can tell that we did not, in fact, defeat the fascists - if we did, liberalism would be dead and buried, too.

        Instead, we allowed “liberal democracy” to nurse fascism back to health, hone it’s murderousness by using it as a tool of colonialist domination, and pretend to be shocked when these fascists just suddenly show up to protect their precious capitalist status quo back home in the imperial core.

        None of that was an accident - when we say fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost we don’t mean it figuratively.

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          Eloquent, but also bull#$%. What would you do? Execute every last person in Germany and Japan to make sure you rooted out the fascists? None of the fasscists that were alive then are in charge of what’s going on now. The neofacisct groups have nothing to do with WWII other than they decided to celebrate them. This isn’t the problem of an organization allowed to thrive and grow, it’s an ideal that’s being picked up by people and used as a tool.

          • masquenox@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Oh, it’s “bull#$%,” eh?

            No, Clyde, I’ll tell you what is actually bullshit - people like YOU literally WATCHING both liberals and fascists play their respective parts to protect the status quo right in front of your goddamn eyes and STILL pretending that any of this is some great mystery to you.

            That’s bullshit.

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              3 days ago

              Hold on, I’m trying to find my tiniest violin while I block you.

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                3 days ago

                You’re up for three more years of your liberal overlords pretending to dislike fascists while they tell you to “vote harder” - you might want to save that violin for yourself.

      • Back_it_up@lemmy.ca
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        LOL, even the Naz!s knew the problem with that! “© that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved. The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden.”

        Of course, then they then go too far with: “We demand the legal prosecutions of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural even which violate this demand.”

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        2 days ago

        You are doing a fantastic job of pitting one group against another, so apparently knowing the problem doesnt make you immune to it.