• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    A lemmy instance full of trolls and people celebrating chinese and russian fascism in the name of socialism

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      i once read a thread where they were saying to defederate from everyone. then why federate in the first place

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        Their instance, I gather, is set to NOT federate with anyone by default, and their admins need to manually add other instances to their federation. Most instances are set to federate by default, so they need to un-federate with another instance here and there.

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        Some whine that they did not want federation in the first place and the mods did it without their consent. Slightly ironic considering they do not like democracy (although they claim you can have democracy without voting…somehow).

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            Every hexbear person I have come across thinks China is a democracy despite people not being able to at least vote for their representatives.

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                Since when was voting for representatives indicative of democracy? If your vote is fixed or if you can only vote for a singular party you wouldn’t be democratic at all.

                In China’s case you dan vote for your local representative in an election that might be fixed and you can only vote for communists so while they have voting Im not sure they even count as a failed/failing democracy like the USA is.

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                  Wrong, there are at least 8 other parties in congress and at local levels you don’t need to be a member of any party to be elected to certain posts. Where’s your evidence of the votes being fixed? You’re just lying and making things up about spooky enemy country

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                    All eight parties are only permitted to exist at the whim of the central party. That is a Jupiter sized red flag for fairness in elections. China has never had a free or fair election ever.

                    China is not a democracy on any level. Just like Iran isn’t despite the fact you vote for more people directly as an Iranian.

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              There are literally millions of elections in China every year, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Who told you they don’t vote for their representatives? They lied to you.

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          what the hell are you talking about

          every person there will describe their democratic beliefs, all of whom have a voting system with representatives. That is basic leftism. Are you lying or just born a fool?

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            I think I recall seeing you post calling for the death of other users. Not going to put much stock in what you say.

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                Everyone you consider a ‘lib.’ Real discerning. /s

                Although I’m pretty sure that was your hexbear alt. Don’t you also want to defederate from everyone? Why are you here?

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                  Oh this was an excursion to see my “caught in 4k” glory. Nothing more. I want hexbear out of anyone’s reach, but that does not mean I want you guys out of my reach.

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        Your source does not support your claim.

        Also Russia is clearly fascist in its current form so any “communist” supporting the current Russian government is at best confused.

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          China isn’t fascist, it is an capitalist/socialist mixed industrial economy with a ruling socialist party. Russia is literally just another oligarchy with opposed interests to US Oligarchy, they don’t have the important base economic markers characteristic of fascism and yes, the article opposes equating fascists and communists.

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            I never said China is fascist. Im not sure their government could become fascist given the ideological gaps between fascism and whatever we want to call the system China has.

            The USA isn’t an oligarchy and the Gilens and Page paper people keep referencing never actually makes that claim. The USA is a plutocracy. Our wealthy people rarely gain their wealth as a direct result of government appointments.

            Russia is clearly fascist at this point.

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        1. thanks for sharing. Quite an interesting read.

        2. I don‘t think the linked text supports your argument at all. Calling the chinese fascists in light of the way they treat their citizens in general and the genocide against the Uyghurs especially is not at all comparable to eastern European nations revering people that murdered yews.

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          No offense but you missed the point. The most extreme claim from a german christian fascist was that China has 1 million people in reducation camps.That is not equivalent to the intentional extermination of 11 million people, before we count the 19 million soviet civilians who died during the german invasion outside the concentration camps.

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        Jewish people arent the only people who ever were victim to fascism… To say china commits a holocaust is holocause trivialization. To say it is a fascist country is not.

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          To say it is a fascist country is making fascism look better then it is. Fascism doesn’t have 95 percent of the population approving of the government. Fascism doesn’t exempt minorities from the one child policy. Fascism doesn’t end extreme poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Fascism doesn’t lead to trans youth Healthcare clinics sprouting up in major cities.