True, the patriarchy harms everyone. Sexism against women harms them (even kills) from interactions with men, negatively affects education, career, even hobbies. Leads to medical bias which also may kill them. Leads to them being trafficked and used as sex slaves. Experience female genital mutilation.
Andrew Tate is a hugely popular figure amongst young men. Those men are being harmed by the patriarchy but don’t realise or maybe care as they’re too busy harming women. It’s not the same for men, they’re massively privileged compared with women.
The patriarchy is also what sends men to die for imperialism, tells them they can’t ask for help, admit weakness, or be vulnerable. It’s why the ratio of suicides is 6:1 men to women in the US and men are something like 4 times more likely to die deaths of despair, take jobs that destroy their body, or get rejected from jobs that deal with caring or teaching because of biased assumptions of pedophilia and sexual abuse.
Yes, some (read: cis, hetero, rich) men are privileged by the system, and we should absolutely not discount women’s experiences, but it’s not one or the other, it’s both.
Oh, have you been sent to die? War duties are irrelevant for most men. The last conscription in my country was WW2 and women died then too, as nurses near the front, in the blitz, as spies, etc. All genders join the military now.
Meanwhile I think the conviction rate now, in 2025 for rape of women by men is 1%. That means you won’t get justice if you’re a woman reporting a serious crime. Women in america are dying because they can’t get healthcare for their miscarriage and pre-teen girls forced to carry their rapists baby. On shitter dickheads openly gloat ‘your body, my choice’ with no censorship, because abuse of women isn’t censored. Andrew Tate. Not really the same situation for men and women, is it? Women aren’t causing men to commit suicide but men are still controlling, belittling, abusing and killing women.
If you’re actually against the patriarchy you have to realise that it fucks women over way more and always has. We’re only seeing a backslide right now, and I suppose women in the west are lucky they aren’t in a country they would be stoned to death, or not be allowed to be overheard talking, seen inside their own home, etc.
Nobody is arguing that the patriarchy fucks men harder than women because you’re right, it doesn’t.
Your dismissal of the military issue and suicide is an example of your, and society’s, complete lack of empathy for men. Sure, it’s not women sending men to die, or directly causing them to feel hopeless, but that doesn’t somehow mean they aren’t victims of the patriarchy.
Did I personally get ordered to die? No, but I sure as hell had my role as an emotionless working machine, the assumed self-sufficient breadwinner that needed to support my entire family myself even if it meant my life was expendable, pushed on me by men, women, religion, and the media. And if I didn’t want that role or failed to live up to it, I’m a fucking loser and the community doesn’t care that I fed myself to a meat grinder and came out broken.
I promise, it’s possible to have empathy for the women who are being fucked by the patriarchy as well as the men simultaneously. Going back to my initial comment, it was never trying to disregard the scientist in the post, only dispel this idea that there is some individual that hasn’t experienced sexism/patriarchy.
I have empathy for men, in fact all genders are experiencing all of the issues you had mentioned as specific to men. I mentioned conscription because that’s something which hasn’t happened in the west in the lifetime of most men alive today. I might as well complain that women can’t vote. Why don’t you have empathy for women who can’t vote? You know why women usually don’t usually fight in war? Because men don’t just try to kill them, they use sexual violence against them. Not just the enemy but their own comrades.
I don’t know if you realise but women also wage slave and for a hell of a lot less money usually. They’re cleaners, carers, doing the dirty jobs noone else wants. Then they often go home and take care of their kids and chores -women’s work. All while getting zero respect from society. And if the man leaves for any reason, she’s a single mother and therefore worthless. If you want to learn, watch the maid. That’s a good example of a woman struggling against the patriarchy. The father of the kid in that show is struggling too and I do think he deserves empathy but I see who has it worse.
You keep getting hung up on conscription as if there aren’t thousands of men who went to war in the last 25 years. You don’t have to be drafted to get killed or traumatized, and just because you enlisted doesn’t mean you deserved everything that happened to you (esp. when most enlist are poor, have no prospects, and get effectively brainwashed as a teenager that the military is an out).
As for the rest, yes have empathy for single parents and wage slaves of any gender. I’m sorry sexual assault is thing that happens to many women.
So…you also want us to feel sorry for people who chose to sign up to be a soldier, knowing what that would entail? There are also women who died or were maimed or abused in war. Not as many, because not as many women chose that (or could choose that).
That’s kind of the point, someone can make a bad choice because of poor education and prospects, but another person is given no choice. I’d argue the person with no choices is worse off. Men have historically denied women the right to choose and I see that attitude is on the rise. Its unhelpful to say ‘what about men’ when talking about the struggles of women and marginalised genders.
Not that male struggles aren’t important, but its exactly the same as when a marginalised race says ‘black lives matter’ and a white person says ‘all lives matter’. The latter is true, but doesn’t need to be said - everyone already agrees. Noone is trying specifically to take rights away from men, and definitely not women. Its not just the patriarchy that fucks all people, but capitalism. Women’s issues go beyond that because people also in a state of being fucked by patriarchy/capitalism are hurting them specifically because they’re women.
I do think that if decent people can try to understand the different struggles and be allies for each other, that’s how we all win. It’s just that given the fact that
when so many women are being harmed by men, is it surprising that a lot of women are untrusting and even hostile? Like the 4B movement. Its bad enough that there’s still a gender pay gap, that CEOs are rarely women etc. They’re seeing their hard won rights dwindle away in real time.
True, the patriarchy harms everyone. Sexism against women harms them (even kills) from interactions with men, negatively affects education, career, even hobbies. Leads to medical bias which also may kill them. Leads to them being trafficked and used as sex slaves. Experience female genital mutilation.
Andrew Tate is a hugely popular figure amongst young men. Those men are being harmed by the patriarchy but don’t realise or maybe care as they’re too busy harming women. It’s not the same for men, they’re massively privileged compared with women.
The patriarchy is also what sends men to die for imperialism, tells them they can’t ask for help, admit weakness, or be vulnerable. It’s why the ratio of suicides is 6:1 men to women in the US and men are something like 4 times more likely to die deaths of despair, take jobs that destroy their body, or get rejected from jobs that deal with caring or teaching because of biased assumptions of pedophilia and sexual abuse.
Yes, some (read: cis, hetero, rich) men are privileged by the system, and we should absolutely not discount women’s experiences, but it’s not one or the other, it’s both.
Oh, have you been sent to die? War duties are irrelevant for most men. The last conscription in my country was WW2 and women died then too, as nurses near the front, in the blitz, as spies, etc. All genders join the military now.
Meanwhile I think the conviction rate now, in 2025 for rape of women by men is 1%. That means you won’t get justice if you’re a woman reporting a serious crime. Women in america are dying because they can’t get healthcare for their miscarriage and pre-teen girls forced to carry their rapists baby. On shitter dickheads openly gloat ‘your body, my choice’ with no censorship, because abuse of women isn’t censored. Andrew Tate. Not really the same situation for men and women, is it? Women aren’t causing men to commit suicide but men are still controlling, belittling, abusing and killing women.
If you’re actually against the patriarchy you have to realise that it fucks women over way more and always has. We’re only seeing a backslide right now, and I suppose women in the west are lucky they aren’t in a country they would be stoned to death, or not be allowed to be overheard talking, seen inside their own home, etc.
Nobody is arguing that the patriarchy fucks men harder than women because you’re right, it doesn’t.
Your dismissal of the military issue and suicide is an example of your, and society’s, complete lack of empathy for men. Sure, it’s not women sending men to die, or directly causing them to feel hopeless, but that doesn’t somehow mean they aren’t victims of the patriarchy.
Did I personally get ordered to die? No, but I sure as hell had my role as an emotionless working machine, the assumed self-sufficient breadwinner that needed to support my entire family myself even if it meant my life was expendable, pushed on me by men, women, religion, and the media. And if I didn’t want that role or failed to live up to it, I’m a fucking loser and the community doesn’t care that I fed myself to a meat grinder and came out broken.
I promise, it’s possible to have empathy for the women who are being fucked by the patriarchy as well as the men simultaneously. Going back to my initial comment, it was never trying to disregard the scientist in the post, only dispel this idea that there is some individual that hasn’t experienced sexism/patriarchy.
I have empathy for men, in fact all genders are experiencing all of the issues you had mentioned as specific to men. I mentioned conscription because that’s something which hasn’t happened in the west in the lifetime of most men alive today. I might as well complain that women can’t vote. Why don’t you have empathy for women who can’t vote? You know why women usually don’t usually fight in war? Because men don’t just try to kill them, they use sexual violence against them. Not just the enemy but their own comrades.
I don’t know if you realise but women also wage slave and for a hell of a lot less money usually. They’re cleaners, carers, doing the dirty jobs noone else wants. Then they often go home and take care of their kids and chores -women’s work. All while getting zero respect from society. And if the man leaves for any reason, she’s a single mother and therefore worthless. If you want to learn, watch the maid. That’s a good example of a woman struggling against the patriarchy. The father of the kid in that show is struggling too and I do think he deserves empathy but I see who has it worse.
You keep getting hung up on conscription as if there aren’t thousands of men who went to war in the last 25 years. You don’t have to be drafted to get killed or traumatized, and just because you enlisted doesn’t mean you deserved everything that happened to you (esp. when most enlist are poor, have no prospects, and get effectively brainwashed as a teenager that the military is an out).
As for the rest, yes have empathy for single parents and wage slaves of any gender. I’m sorry sexual assault is thing that happens to many women.
So…you also want us to feel sorry for people who chose to sign up to be a soldier, knowing what that would entail? There are also women who died or were maimed or abused in war. Not as many, because not as many women chose that (or could choose that).
That’s kind of the point, someone can make a bad choice because of poor education and prospects, but another person is given no choice. I’d argue the person with no choices is worse off. Men have historically denied women the right to choose and I see that attitude is on the rise. Its unhelpful to say ‘what about men’ when talking about the struggles of women and marginalised genders.
Not that male struggles aren’t important, but its exactly the same as when a marginalised race says ‘black lives matter’ and a white person says ‘all lives matter’. The latter is true, but doesn’t need to be said - everyone already agrees. Noone is trying specifically to take rights away from men, and definitely not women. Its not just the patriarchy that fucks all people, but capitalism. Women’s issues go beyond that because people also in a state of being fucked by patriarchy/capitalism are hurting them specifically because they’re women.
I do think that if decent people can try to understand the different struggles and be allies for each other, that’s how we all win. It’s just that given the fact that when so many women are being harmed by men, is it surprising that a lot of women are untrusting and even hostile? Like the 4B movement. Its bad enough that there’s still a gender pay gap, that CEOs are rarely women etc. They’re seeing their hard won rights dwindle away in real time.
Man, you’re really trying to disprove your claim of having empathy for men, aren’tcha?
What a stupid thing to say. Either you didn’t read my comment or your reading comprehension is shit.