You can’t count all those as missed sales. Plenty of us were never going to buy it anyway. It also doesnt destroy stock. They can still sell their shit the same after we pirate it.
Oh obviously what this post is about is a gross overreach and devastating to a young life for no reason at all. As a creator I have mulled this. Did I care if people ever snuck into any of my bands shows? No, but we were never famous. Would I care if people pirated the game I’m attempting to make? Once again, I’m not famous or selling anything to the tune of hundreds of thousands, and, I dont care, again. If people are listening to my music, or playing my game, or in anyway just enjoying things I made, I think I could live with that. Its not about the money, its about burring yourself in the collective zeitgeist for ages to come.
I do kind of agree, as I’m making art for myself. But at the same time, maybe that’s because I’m not in a situation where I depend on having to sell what I’m creating is what I mean
Thats fine, I am not either. But popular shit is the biggest target of pirating. Searching, I found one (1) game, an iOS game, that shutdown supposedly due to pirating. Here is the stack exchange. In the end it was actually due to a technical bug revealed because of the pirated accounts. So yeah, it has been a problem at least once before. But the frequency and depth of the affects seems greatly exaggerated.
“We were never going to buy it anyway” is a weak argument, considering that the explosion of Netflix, Crunchyroll, and other streaming services (before they turned to shit) proves otherwise.
If piracy didn’t cause financial harm, why did legal streaming platforms dramatically reduce piracy rates when they offered a convenient alternative? The answer is simple: People do pay when given the right option.
And the “it doesn’t destroy stock” excuse? That’s like saying sneaking into a concert isn’t theft because the band still plays for everyone else. It’s still taking something without paying for it.
How does a streaming service, where you pay a blanket cost instead of choosing individual media, prove people were willing to buy individual media? Do you think the advent of streaming services maybe offer3d the convenience of a bunch of stuff right there to go, instead of having to compile it yourself? I think thats where the true value was.
So you’re admitting that when given an easy, affordable way to access media, people chose to pay rather than pirate? Congratulations, you just proved my point.
The fact that convenience was a key factor doesn’t change the reality that these services turned former pirates into paying customers. If piracy wasn’t causing financial harm, and if people truly ‘weren’t going to buy it anyway,’ then streaming services wouldn’t have reclaimed those users as paying subscribers.
As for your last line—sounds like you cut off mid-thought. You were about to say something profound about why sneaking into a concert isn’t theft? Go on, I could use the laugh
No, they turned a shitty service into a good one and the pirates were willing to pay for the platform to access that media rather than surf the seven seas looking all over the place. It wasn’t the media itself that turned them into paying customers, so the record labels and movie studios dont have a point. It was the unified service that brought them in and how cheap it was. As soon as the price raised, the catalogue changed, everyone who was previously a pirate dusted their hats and wind jammers off again and left.
Listening to music isnt theft. You could argue that you are stealing the experience being provided, but you just sound like a stuffy cock saying that shit. Nobody, including the band if they are chill, cares that a few people snuck in, not even other attendees. If you do care so much, then you need some introspection.
Just to be clear, I don’t actually care about piracy. Do it or don’t, that’s your business. But saying piracy doesn’t cause losses is just wrong.
You just explained that when piracy was inconvenient, people chose to pay for a better service. That means they had money to spend but were pirating instead—until a better legal option came along. That alone proves piracy takes money away from creators.
And your concert take? Now we’re at ‘stealing is fine as long as nobody makes a big deal about it.’ If sneaking in isn’t theft, does that mean shoplifting is fine too as long as the store doesn’t notice?
Keep going, or don’t—this is an imperfect analogy, I was just trying to help you see why you are so staggeringly wrong
If the creators themselves dont care, and the band is an especially bad example, the only people who give a fuck are shitheads like Metallica, you should take them for what they are and be happy people are enjoying your creation. Brendan Urie said it best, “pirate it, I dont care”. You’re acting like piracy always results in nobody ever paying and the creators or solemn victims of a ruthless tidal wave. Thats never true. They still sell, its not even a drop in the bucket compared to actual sales. This is like Musk running around screeching about 8bil when the government has a budget of over 2 trillion dollars, you’re bitching about couch change.
lmao, not how piracy works
? It is exactly how piracy works? What do you mean?
You can’t count all those as missed sales. Plenty of us were never going to buy it anyway. It also doesnt destroy stock. They can still sell their shit the same after we pirate it.
People need to stop seeing everything in black and white and put themselves in other’s shoes. I’m not siding with anyone. I buy and I don’t.
But if you were the creator, what would you think about your reasoning?
(now about the title story of this post, this is obviously madness, things gone too far)
Oh obviously what this post is about is a gross overreach and devastating to a young life for no reason at all. As a creator I have mulled this. Did I care if people ever snuck into any of my bands shows? No, but we were never famous. Would I care if people pirated the game I’m attempting to make? Once again, I’m not famous or selling anything to the tune of hundreds of thousands, and, I dont care, again. If people are listening to my music, or playing my game, or in anyway just enjoying things I made, I think I could live with that. Its not about the money, its about burring yourself in the collective zeitgeist for ages to come.
I do kind of agree, as I’m making art for myself. But at the same time, maybe that’s because I’m not in a situation where I depend on having to sell what I’m creating is what I mean
Thats fine, I am not either. But popular shit is the biggest target of pirating. Searching, I found one (1) game, an iOS game, that shutdown supposedly due to pirating. Here is the stack exchange. In the end it was actually due to a technical bug revealed because of the pirated accounts. So yeah, it has been a problem at least once before. But the frequency and depth of the affects seems greatly exaggerated.
“We were never going to buy it anyway” is a weak argument, considering that the explosion of Netflix, Crunchyroll, and other streaming services (before they turned to shit) proves otherwise.
If piracy didn’t cause financial harm, why did legal streaming platforms dramatically reduce piracy rates when they offered a convenient alternative? The answer is simple: People do pay when given the right option.
And the “it doesn’t destroy stock” excuse? That’s like saying sneaking into a concert isn’t theft because the band still plays for everyone else. It’s still taking something without paying for it.
How does a streaming service, where you pay a blanket cost instead of choosing individual media, prove people were willing to buy individual media? Do you think the advent of streaming services maybe offer3d the convenience of a bunch of stuff right there to go, instead of having to compile it yourself? I think thats where the true value was.
And sneaking into a concert isnt theft.
So you’re admitting that when given an easy, affordable way to access media, people chose to pay rather than pirate? Congratulations, you just proved my point.
The fact that convenience was a key factor doesn’t change the reality that these services turned former pirates into paying customers. If piracy wasn’t causing financial harm, and if people truly ‘weren’t going to buy it anyway,’ then streaming services wouldn’t have reclaimed those users as paying subscribers.
As for your last line—sounds like you cut off mid-thought. You were about to say something profound about why sneaking into a concert isn’t theft? Go on, I could use the laugh
No, they turned a shitty service into a good one and the pirates were willing to pay for the platform to access that media rather than surf the seven seas looking all over the place. It wasn’t the media itself that turned them into paying customers, so the record labels and movie studios dont have a point. It was the unified service that brought them in and how cheap it was. As soon as the price raised, the catalogue changed, everyone who was previously a pirate dusted their hats and wind jammers off again and left.
Listening to music isnt theft. You could argue that you are stealing the experience being provided, but you just sound like a stuffy cock saying that shit. Nobody, including the band if they are chill, cares that a few people snuck in, not even other attendees. If you do care so much, then you need some introspection.
Just to be clear, I don’t actually care about piracy. Do it or don’t, that’s your business. But saying piracy doesn’t cause losses is just wrong.
You just explained that when piracy was inconvenient, people chose to pay for a better service. That means they had money to spend but were pirating instead—until a better legal option came along. That alone proves piracy takes money away from creators.
And your concert take? Now we’re at ‘stealing is fine as long as nobody makes a big deal about it.’ If sneaking in isn’t theft, does that mean shoplifting is fine too as long as the store doesn’t notice?
Keep going, or don’t—this is an imperfect analogy, I was just trying to help you see why you are so staggeringly wrong
If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing 😤
If the creators themselves dont care, and the band is an especially bad example, the only people who give a fuck are shitheads like Metallica, you should take them for what they are and be happy people are enjoying your creation. Brendan Urie said it best, “pirate it, I dont care”. You’re acting like piracy always results in nobody ever paying and the creators or solemn victims of a ruthless tidal wave. Thats never true. They still sell, its not even a drop in the bucket compared to actual sales. This is like Musk running around screeching about 8bil when the government has a budget of over 2 trillion dollars, you’re bitching about couch change.
While the number is absolutely very exaggerated, they are indeed losing potential sale revenue.