Governance according to the will and best interest of the people. But my definition isn’t very interesting since I’m not the subject of this article. What makes Jimmy Lai pro-democracy? What does democracy mean when AP writes it?
Don’t knock your importance. Your definition is very interesting.
“Best interest of the people” can be very subjective. How is the will of the people determined? Is that through voting directly or through a representative they voted for?
As for what AP likely means: most likely either direct or respresentative democracy whereby the general public votes either directly on legislation or votes for a representative to vote on legislation for them.
Voting is just a component of some democratic systems. There’s a lot more you have to consider. For example, imagine you have a system where people vote for their representatives but the media is owned by the wealthy and political parties depend on wealthy donors for funding. In that case policy will not reflect the interests of the people but instead the interests of a wealthy minority. I imagine that’s the kind of “democracy” the AP is referring to when they describe Jimmy Lai as pro-democracy.
It’s a fair description of the system the British set up in Hong Kong right before they had to hand it back to China. It’s the same system that “pro-democracy” advocates in Hong Kong were defending. As such I think it’s reasonable to assume that’s what the AP and Jimmy Lai are referring to.
As for voting I’m not saying it isn’t a useful mechanism through which the general will of a population can be expressed. Instead, I am saying that voting alone is not the crux upon which democracy hinges. I personally prefer voting as a mechanism over sortition and consensus in most cases. However, that wouldn’t mean either of those mechanisms couldn’t be the basis for democratic decision making.
Define democracy.
How would you define it?
Governance according to the will and best interest of the people. But my definition isn’t very interesting since I’m not the subject of this article. What makes Jimmy Lai pro-democracy? What does democracy mean when AP writes it?
Don’t knock your importance. Your definition is very interesting.
“Best interest of the people” can be very subjective. How is the will of the people determined? Is that through voting directly or through a representative they voted for?
As for what AP likely means: most likely either direct or respresentative democracy whereby the general public votes either directly on legislation or votes for a representative to vote on legislation for them.
Voting is just a component of some democratic systems. There’s a lot more you have to consider. For example, imagine you have a system where people vote for their representatives but the media is owned by the wealthy and political parties depend on wealthy donors for funding. In that case policy will not reflect the interests of the people but instead the interests of a wealthy minority. I imagine that’s the kind of “democracy” the AP is referring to when they describe Jimmy Lai as pro-democracy.
There is no democracy without the general public voting. It is a component of ALL democratic systems.
What evidence do you have that your scenario is what AP means when they refer to democracy?
It’s a fair description of the system the British set up in Hong Kong right before they had to hand it back to China. It’s the same system that “pro-democracy” advocates in Hong Kong were defending. As such I think it’s reasonable to assume that’s what the AP and Jimmy Lai are referring to.
As for voting I’m not saying it isn’t a useful mechanism through which the general will of a population can be expressed. Instead, I am saying that voting alone is not the crux upon which democracy hinges. I personally prefer voting as a mechanism over sortition and consensus in most cases. However, that wouldn’t mean either of those mechanisms couldn’t be the basis for democratic decision making.
you never answered their question
Yes. I occasionally sleep. I’ll make sure to fix that in the future. :-)