Since then, over 230 pull requests have been accepted. I had a branch where I was working on this, but a lot of code has changed in the meantime - among other things, ex the markdown implementation has been rewritten and, in fact, some of it is now outdated. Many files will still change and be rewritten before the release.
Before the first release, it will be done properly, and I will probably seek help and consultation from the right people https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/pulls/937. Currently, in the project’s readme, I’ve clearly indicated that kbin is inspired by Postmill. Unfortunately, recently I’ve been overwhelmed by some personal matters, which caused me to neglect certain things. Now I’m doing everything to bring kbin to the appropriate state.
“Inspired” is not an honest term. You’re using someone else’s code, so abide by the license they use, or remove their code from your project until you’re ready to follow the license. You started lifting Postmill’s code several years ago now and have had sooo much time to set things right but keep dragging your feet.
This isn’t a school project, you’re gaining financially from someone else’s hard work without abiding by their (incredibly permissive) FOSS license and opening yourself up to serious legal action.
As I said, the markdown implementation that received the main thing has been rewritten by contributors. I need to consult on how it should look in such a case. Now the indicated similarities are between these files (these files will also be changed soon, before release):
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/src/branch/develop/src/Repository/Criteria.php
https://gitlab.com/postmill/Postmill/-/blob/1e98b99bc4a20b396f2fa4089bdb1a308b7e18fd/src/SubmissionFinder/Criteria.php
https://gitlab.com/postmill/Postmill/-/blob/a9704316c1c78f15ca12c2dc5ad477f4ac9f530e/src/Entity/Submission.php#L21-57May I ask why you haven’t added the copyright notice to make kbin compliant while your volunteers are in the process of eliminating all of Postmill’s code from the code base?
I think several factors contributed to this. First, I prepared the licensing tag, but when the time came to merge the branch - that code simply no longer existed. As you can see, the remaining files are what I call inspiration - it’s not copied code but more of an overall concept, quite common in these types of applications (however, I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be a tag). Another factor is that sometimes you have to choose what to focus on first - eliminate and remove thousands of spambots, fix activitypub communication after updates from other software so as not to crash your server and others, secure the instance from sensitive content, deal with all the formalities related to the legal situation, working on moteration tools, handle pull requests from people who dedicate their private time to it and many more. Additional, I still need to make sure I can pay my own bills, and there’s personal life.
And yes, two months is a long time, but for me, it was just a flash this time. A swift reality check occurred because the first release was supposed to come out over a month ago. I’m doing this the best I can, and without the help of contributors, none of this would have been possible. Due to the situation, I have to prioritize certain tasks. This is still marked as high priority, but it’s waiting its turn. Nevertheless, I have the opportunity, I decided to seek external help to do it the right way before releasing the first version. I realized that it only seems like a simple task on the surface. I want close the matter once and for all. All of this also pertains to the licensing tags of Pixelfed, btw.
Gosh, how long did it take you to type that long reply explaining you’re too busy to copy a license file over to kbin? It takes less than a minute to do. Copy the file. Commit. That’s it.
It took me from 4 to 6 minutes, I can’t determine exactly. I think this is about more than just copying and committing a file - one needs to label specific files or sections of the code. I’m not sure how exactly this should look, so I’m waiting for a consultation.
Sending a tinsy-winsy appreciation to how you handle this dialog. Smooth. 🎩
People sitting on their ass telling others what they should do because “it only takes a minute” is such a stereotype in FOSS that I didn’t think I would see a real one in the wild. Wow.
Yeah while I can understand why OP would be grumpy, their replies are coming off pretty poorly
sitting on their ass
What action do you think OP should be taking? Legal action? I don’t see how criticizing OP for “sitting on their ass” is really a fair criticism.
You realize this is one human being managing this whole situation without getting paid? Being nice enough to share a cool, if imperfect, piece of software for all to use. Show some respect, damn. Kbin has exploded in the the past months, leading to a lot of exposure and thus also suddenly an onslaught of things to fix. License errors definitely aren’t great, but you can’t fix everything at once.
This is a fair ask imo if the borrowed code is used currently.
Most of the indicated code is no longer part of kbin (unlike Pixelfed’s code, to be fair). You can see the similarities in the links provided above. However, I need to thoroughly analyze everything once again to make sure nothing slipped past me and there isn’t more of it. There might be a tool that could facilitate this. In any case, it’s not my intention to hide the original source, even if major changes have been made. I’d gladly leave information about what the code was based on. I have no problem with that, the only enemy is time.
At the end of the day, I wanted to thank you for that reminder. Sometimes I really need it. For now, these two PRs will have to suffice. I’m sure I modeled them after Postmill. I can promise I’ll get back to this and do it right.
Thank you for that, Adam.
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/pulls/1005
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/pulls/1006
The fact that Ernest commented on this two months ago and then didn’t fix the issue is saddening. I understand that everyone is busy, but crediting people isn’t a big ask.
It really is ridiculous. It’s such a small ask to give credit where it’s due.
perhaps they need a reminder or something. Violating Licenses is really bad.
Life happens IMO.
Any reason why the people repeatedly raising the issue don’t just open a PR in Codeberg adding the attribution they deem “correct”? This isn’t a court house, the source control tool is literally an open forum…
Am I missing something here?
You’re shifting the blame. Ernest promised a quick resolution 2 months ago and didn’t follow through. I don’t use kbin, I only use Postmill, so expecting me to clean up his mess isn’t a reasonable ask.
It would take him less time to copy/paste the license file than it took him to write his latest feet-dragging comment here.
You’re shifting the blame
I don’t see how I am…
Ernest promised a quick resolution 2 months ago and didn’t follow through.
I understand that, and it’s unfortunate that he’s been unable to do so thus far.
That fact does not affect the validity of the original question IMO, especially when the complaint is originating from multiple people who each have equal access to implement the desired change.
I don’t use kbin, I only use Postmill, so expecting me to clean up his mess isn’t a reasonable ask
I’m not expecting a specific individual to “clean up his mess” really. There are multiple people being vocal about this issue besides yourself, from my perspective any one of these individuals can do this and move on.
It would take him less time to copy/paste the license file than it took him to write his latest feet-dragging comment here
While this is true, I think posts like these are also wasting his time needing to crowd control a post discussing how he should be using his personal time. These kind of interactions are really demotivating and draining for any developer or individual
Even if he went and did the change himself as a result of this post, people would still “why did it take you this long” and the like IMO
This is the responsibility of the person who wrote the code. This person is ernest. Life happens, but this is not a significant amount of work to be done and ernest said it would be done “today” 2 months ago.
I’ve raised this in the matrix chat and have flagged this again to Ernest. I know initially about 2 months ago when the exodus happened that he was scrambling around trying to keep the server running as everyone joined.
Over the last few weeks he’s be busy with a flood of PRs with either fixes, new features or support for the upcoming API integration.
I had no idea this ticket existed (mostly because there’s been almost 1000 tickets submitted and I’ve been working on improvements)
Hopefully he can have a look at this and fix these issues soon, I seriously don’t think this was done maliciously, but I’ll do what I can to raise it (I have minimal exposure to open source licensing so I don’t want to touch these files myself)
I understood some of those words.
I remember raddle users spreading FUD before when people started to move here from Reddit. Surely if this is a thing the raddle site admin has spoken to the Kbin creators about this?
I also was almost dismissing it as “who let raddle out of the box again”, but this is indeed a valid complaint, which even is easy enough for kbin to become compliant - so I also don’t see why they didn’t do it immediately when it was pointed out.
They did, the issue is even linked in the post: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/196
Huh strange I don’t see any link in the OP? Having read your link it sounds like Ernest is aware and is dealing with it?
Sounds like raddle looking for drama again to me.
Huh strange I don’t see any link in the OP?
It’s a link post, click on the title.
Sounds like raddle looking for drama again to me.
They seem toxic in general, but they have a point in this case and are most certainly not the bad guys, but ernest is.
and is dealing with it
This was 2 months ago with absolutely nothing happening when there really isn’t much required.
If Ernest is aware and has spoken to the raddle admin why has a raddle user taken it upon themselves to create a brand new account just to post this? I know if my users were doing this and the crap before they wouldn’t be users on my site for long.
I’m not saying Ernest has or hasn’t done something I just think raddle being a toxic shit hole will do anything they can to twist everything to create pointless drama
What are they twisting? You sound more toxic and FUD-spreading than them, right now.
This was 2 months ago with absolutely nothing happening when there really isn’t much required.
I get this is a legitimate complaint but why did no one just open a pull request and fix the issue?
I can’t speak for the other contributors but there’s been almost 1000 tickets in the space of 2-3 months. I’ve been fairly busy fixing bugs and trying to improve the UI. I’ve flagged it to ernest and hopefully this gets resolved soon so we can keep everyone happy 🦙
Why don’t the people whose rights are infringed not do something instead of telling the infringer to fix it? I don’t know, but I can certainly understand it.
If that’s the attitude, be hostile and have no empathy for someone who outright says it’s his fault but who’s also overworked, then why not sue? Seems that’s the attitude you’re projecting.
I’d like to highlight that there’s been a recent PR that’s added the licensing to several files
Heard they stole it from a trans woman. Wouldn’t that make the kbin dev transphobic?
Edit: Wow a lot of transphobes already downvoting ne
Only in the same way that stealing code from a PoC would make me racist, stealing code from a Jew would make me anti-semitic or stealing code from a woman would make me sexist.
Since, without proof of any of that you’re just making shit up I’m going to go with the reason that your post is being downvoted is that ITS JUST FUCKING STUPID.
Actually had to re-read old mates comment above us to see if I was missing satire / sarcasm. Like no way anyone legitimately thinks like this? 🤯
I’ve got some unfortunate news for you
Please don’t derail the thread with this accusation, you’re not helping. Stick to the topic at hand (the license being willfully violated) and don’t speculate.
Doing something shitty to a trans person is only transphobia when you’re doing it because they’re trans, yet you’ve provided no substantive evidence for this claim. It also does not align with what Ernest has said in this thread and others. Saying shit like this without evidence is trashy and irresponsible and THAT is why you’re being down voted. Do better.
No, it wouldn’t.
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That wasn’t your question.
That’s not how transphobia works. That’s straight up US conservative victim complex type of framing.
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You’re getting downvoted because you’re spouting rubbish without actually providing any evidence, not because people are “transphobic”.
Not every unfortunate action that happens to trans people can be attributed to people being “transphobic”, like it’s a coordinated attack
Why would you know personal details about anyone in GitHub?
Why would you seek to “find out”? It’s personal, GitHub is for code
Ask them, not me. I found it through the raddle link at the top comment.
But you amplified that info with your comment, seems odd to do so
Probably putting out another strawman argument to make the situation much worse than it actually it. Making it go from a scenario where licensing wasn’t followed correctly to a proposed new outrage where hard work from stolen from a trans person. Pathetic
Why did you bold? The text was already legible
