It’s literally an island close off the coast of China, like Galveston, the Florida Keys, or Long Island. It’s literally inhabited by Chinese people. It’s literally been part of Chinese territory for centuries. Just like Hong Kong, if you bring an enemy military into the region from the other side of the world and they enforce a separation of the land from its historical roots, that doesn’t make it legitimate.
Eventually Alaska will need to go back to the people who originally lived there. The European colonies that became new nations do not have legitimate claim to those lands. Just because they killled everyone who disagreed with them and then filled the land with people who agreed with them doesn’t mean the claim is legitimate.
Similarly, just because the KMT killed everyone who disagreed with them and brutally indoctrinated the entire island through the White Terror and just because the imperialist Europeans provided support and military protection while it happened so that the Europeans could still plunder Asia, doesn’t mean that the claim is legitimate.
Reintegration is the only sustainable outcome and China will wait for as long as it takes, knowing that once the US empire declines far enough, Taiwan will have less and less incentive to remain belligerent and will eventually vote for a one country, two systems arrangement.
It’s literally an island close off the coast of China, like Galveston, the Florida Keys, or Long Island.
… and Cuba. USA actually has more presence on Cuba (thanks to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base) than PRC has ever had on Taiwan.
Of course, that doesn’t matter: Cuba is sovereign and Taiwan is sovereign. The latter temporarily lacks official international recognition for global politics reasons unfortunately.
The PRC and the KMT are not separate countries. You are inventing a new way of thinking that you do not apply literally anywhere else in the world. Cuba was never part of the United States. It’s not republican nor democrat nor confederate. The working families party didn’t exist before it existed, does that mean it can’t win elections now? You are confusing political movements for sovereigns. China is the sovereign. The KMT was the party in charge for a very short period of time and they didn’t operate much on Taiwan island. The PRC demonstrated that it had overwhelming popular support and won the war and it took over control of China, which includes Taiwan. The KMT and the PRC are not separate countries and that you Western beligerrents keep framing it that way is completely disingenuous with no basis in reality, history, law, or precedent.
The PRC and the KMT are not separate countries. You are inventing a new way of thinking that you do not apply literally anywhere else in the world.
Well, can you think of any other two countries like PRC and Taiwan that are in a similar situation? If you cannot, then you kinda have to think about them in a new way that doesn’t apply anywhere else in the world.
The KMT was the party in charge for a very short period of time and they didn’t operate much on Taiwan island.
So who operates on Taiwan now? It’s not PRC.
Cuba was never part of the United States.
And in the same way Taiwan was never part of PRC. Or even less, as I showed before: a tiny (but larger than 0!) portion of Cuba has been part of USA since 1903. Exactly no part of Taiwan has been part of PRC since its founding in 1912.
NO. We’ve already established this. They are NOT the same. Cuba was part of Spain. The USA was part of England.
Taiwan is part of China, has been for centuries. The CPC took over China from the KMT. The KMT was routed and fled to the island, that was part of China and established a separatist state. This state of affairs would have ended with the KMT being dismantled if it hadn’t been for European intervention to turn the KMT into a political proxy that allowed the Europeans to maintain military and economic hegemony over the region. There is NOTHING similar about Cuba and the USA except that they are an island and a mainland (except Cuba is 3x further away from the mainland than Taiwan is).
So who operates on Taiwan now? It’s not PRC.
It’s not a machine. You don’t operate islands. The question is who is sovereign over Taiwan, the answer is China. The next question is which political body currently governs Taiwan, the answer is the ROC. The final question is does the ROC have a claim to legitimacy and the answer is no.
People believe what they want. White people in Turtle Island call themselves Americans, and white people in Africa call themselves Afrikaners. But we are objectively still European :)
The dinosaurs inhabited that island longer than humans. The true owner is the lizard people.
That’s not how ownership works. God you liberals are so annoying.
You can’t just act like history didn’t happen.
That’s literally what you’re doing.
The people that live there NOW see no value in being Chinese
THEY ARE CHINESE. They are literally Chinese. They even claim to be the REAL CHINA. You are ridiculous.
That simple, everything else is playing a pointless game.
It’s not pointless. The number of people the US, Britain, France, Netherlands, and Spain killed in Asia ever since they figured out how to sail the blue ocean is unfathomable. That genocidal regime hasn’t ended. It continues to occupy large portions of the Asia-Pacific region, it continues to extract billions of wealth from the region every year, it continues to spread militarily in the region to crush any opposition to their genocidal dominance. And part of that regime is the existence of Taiwan as a separatist region, as a military outpost for the West, and as a potential location for undermining Mutually Assured Destruction to give the US license to launch nuclear war without risk of retaliation. It’s not a pointless game. It’s but one of the fronts in the battle to finally end the 600-year genocidal reign of the West.
History happened. They are now independent of mainland China stop trying to side step the argument with disingenuous deranged semantical theater
They own that island. They live there, they take care of it, they decide how it’s run. Forcing your will on others is clearly a bad thing. The fact autonomy upsets you should be a moment of realization to self reflect on your trash values
LOL. So insightful. History is constructed and exists in the present.
They are now independent of mainland China
No, they aren’t. They are completely dependent on mainland China. Oh you meant politically? So was Hong Kong. You know why? Because the British colonized it. Does that give it legitimate claim to being separate? No. In Taiwan, the British and US didn’t colonize it, they propped up a puppet regime and made it a neo-colony, fully dependent on the West for military and political life, fully dependent on the West and now China for its economic life. Taiwan can, in no reasonable framing, be considered “independent” of anyone.
They own that island
That’s not how private property works. I would expect a capitalist bootlicker to understand the basics of private property.
They live there, they take care of it, they decide how it’s run
They literally ran a terror campaign for 40+ years! They committed mass murders of people who disagreed with them. And they operate the island as a proxy of Western imperialists!
Forcing your will on others is clearly a bad thing. The fact autonomy upsets you should be a moment of realization to self reflect on your trash values.
This is why China isn’t going to invade and occupy. Unlike the West, China understands that this is an unsustainable path towards integration. What they will do is keep pushing the imperialist powers out of the region and continue to develop their economy, their political system, and their diplomacy. They will continue to disrupt Western spy networks, Western propaganda networks, and Western influence campaigns. And through soft power, they will create the conditions for Taiwan to reintegrate.
What you don’t understand is that failure to reintegrate means war with the West. The West wants to fight China but not directly. They will gladly create security problems for China via Taiwan and they will gladly indoctrinate Taiwan and create conditions for Taiwan to get involved in a hot war with China. The US will fight China to the last Taiwanese, just as they have done in every proxy war. China doesn’t want that. It considers the people of Taiwan to be their family. They want their family to live and thrive. And they understand that the West will kill every last one of them.
The fact that you see nothing wrong with the continuous centuries of European imperialism creating violent strife everywhere they operate, threatening to escalate to nuclear conflagration, and operating 600 military bases around the world in order to impose their will on literally all of the world’s people should be a moment of realization to self reflect on your trash values.
It’s not a Chinese island. They don’t wanna be ruled like that. It’s their choice, not yours
It’s not a Chinese island? So landback to the indigenous Taiwanese, right?
They’re so ignorant they think you’re talking about Han born there in the last 75 years.
It’s literally an island close off the coast of China, like Galveston, the Florida Keys, or Long Island. It’s literally inhabited by Chinese people. It’s literally been part of Chinese territory for centuries. Just like Hong Kong, if you bring an enemy military into the region from the other side of the world and they enforce a separation of the land from its historical roots, that doesn’t make it legitimate.
Eventually Alaska will need to go back to the people who originally lived there. The European colonies that became new nations do not have legitimate claim to those lands. Just because they killled everyone who disagreed with them and then filled the land with people who agreed with them doesn’t mean the claim is legitimate.
Similarly, just because the KMT killed everyone who disagreed with them and brutally indoctrinated the entire island through the White Terror and just because the imperialist Europeans provided support and military protection while it happened so that the Europeans could still plunder Asia, doesn’t mean that the claim is legitimate.
Reintegration is the only sustainable outcome and China will wait for as long as it takes, knowing that once the US empire declines far enough, Taiwan will have less and less incentive to remain belligerent and will eventually vote for a one country, two systems arrangement.
… and Cuba. USA actually has more presence on Cuba (thanks to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base) than PRC has ever had on Taiwan.
Of course, that doesn’t matter: Cuba is sovereign and Taiwan is sovereign. The latter temporarily lacks official international recognition for global politics reasons unfortunately.
The PRC and the KMT are not separate countries. You are inventing a new way of thinking that you do not apply literally anywhere else in the world. Cuba was never part of the United States. It’s not republican nor democrat nor confederate. The working families party didn’t exist before it existed, does that mean it can’t win elections now? You are confusing political movements for sovereigns. China is the sovereign. The KMT was the party in charge for a very short period of time and they didn’t operate much on Taiwan island. The PRC demonstrated that it had overwhelming popular support and won the war and it took over control of China, which includes Taiwan. The KMT and the PRC are not separate countries and that you Western beligerrents keep framing it that way is completely disingenuous with no basis in reality, history, law, or precedent.
Well, can you think of any other two countries like PRC and Taiwan that are in a similar situation? If you cannot, then you kinda have to think about them in a new way that doesn’t apply anywhere else in the world.
So who operates on Taiwan now? It’s not PRC.
And in the same way Taiwan was never part of PRC. Or even less, as I showed before: a tiny (but larger than 0!) portion of Cuba has been part of USA since 1903. Exactly no part of Taiwan has been part of PRC since its founding in 1912.
NO. We’ve already established this. They are NOT the same. Cuba was part of Spain. The USA was part of England.
Taiwan is part of China, has been for centuries. The CPC took over China from the KMT. The KMT was routed and fled to the island, that was part of China and established a separatist state. This state of affairs would have ended with the KMT being dismantled if it hadn’t been for European intervention to turn the KMT into a political proxy that allowed the Europeans to maintain military and economic hegemony over the region. There is NOTHING similar about Cuba and the USA except that they are an island and a mainland (except Cuba is 3x further away from the mainland than Taiwan is).
It’s not a machine. You don’t operate islands. The question is who is sovereign over Taiwan, the answer is China. The next question is which political body currently governs Taiwan, the answer is the ROC. The final question is does the ROC have a claim to legitimacy and the answer is no.
If they don’t wanna be a part of China they don’t have to be. Nothing you said addresses that point. You can’t just act like history didn’t happen.
The people that live there NOW see no value in being Chinese. That simple, everything else is playing a pointless game.
The dinosaurs inhabited that island longer than humans. The true owner is the lizard people.
People believe what they want. White people in Turtle Island call themselves Americans, and white people in Africa call themselves Afrikaners. But we are objectively still European :)
Racism has been proven to be low brow dog shit mentality. None for me thank you.
What?
Being racist = bad.
You doing a racism is not for me
I’m not doing a racism!
Racism against white people is literally impossible.
That’s not how ownership works. God you liberals are so annoying.
That’s literally what you’re doing.
THEY ARE CHINESE. They are literally Chinese. They even claim to be the REAL CHINA. You are ridiculous.
It’s not pointless. The number of people the US, Britain, France, Netherlands, and Spain killed in Asia ever since they figured out how to sail the blue ocean is unfathomable. That genocidal regime hasn’t ended. It continues to occupy large portions of the Asia-Pacific region, it continues to extract billions of wealth from the region every year, it continues to spread militarily in the region to crush any opposition to their genocidal dominance. And part of that regime is the existence of Taiwan as a separatist region, as a military outpost for the West, and as a potential location for undermining Mutually Assured Destruction to give the US license to launch nuclear war without risk of retaliation. It’s not a pointless game. It’s but one of the fronts in the battle to finally end the 600-year genocidal reign of the West.
History happened. They are now independent of mainland China stop trying to side step the argument with disingenuous deranged semantical theater
They own that island. They live there, they take care of it, they decide how it’s run. Forcing your will on others is clearly a bad thing. The fact autonomy upsets you should be a moment of realization to self reflect on your trash values
LOL. So insightful. History is constructed and exists in the present.
No, they aren’t. They are completely dependent on mainland China. Oh you meant politically? So was Hong Kong. You know why? Because the British colonized it. Does that give it legitimate claim to being separate? No. In Taiwan, the British and US didn’t colonize it, they propped up a puppet regime and made it a neo-colony, fully dependent on the West for military and political life, fully dependent on the West and now China for its economic life. Taiwan can, in no reasonable framing, be considered “independent” of anyone.
That’s not how private property works. I would expect a capitalist bootlicker to understand the basics of private property.
They literally ran a terror campaign for 40+ years! They committed mass murders of people who disagreed with them. And they operate the island as a proxy of Western imperialists!
This is why China isn’t going to invade and occupy. Unlike the West, China understands that this is an unsustainable path towards integration. What they will do is keep pushing the imperialist powers out of the region and continue to develop their economy, their political system, and their diplomacy. They will continue to disrupt Western spy networks, Western propaganda networks, and Western influence campaigns. And through soft power, they will create the conditions for Taiwan to reintegrate.
What you don’t understand is that failure to reintegrate means war with the West. The West wants to fight China but not directly. They will gladly create security problems for China via Taiwan and they will gladly indoctrinate Taiwan and create conditions for Taiwan to get involved in a hot war with China. The US will fight China to the last Taiwanese, just as they have done in every proxy war. China doesn’t want that. It considers the people of Taiwan to be their family. They want their family to live and thrive. And they understand that the West will kill every last one of them.
The fact that you see nothing wrong with the continuous centuries of European imperialism creating violent strife everywhere they operate, threatening to escalate to nuclear conflagration, and operating 600 military bases around the world in order to impose their will on literally all of the world’s people should be a moment of realization to self reflect on your trash values.