Do…do people really think Microsoft is stupid enough to kill off non-cloud based Windows? There are a lot of Windows users who, for either performance reasons, lack of reliable internet, etc. who would never get good use out of a cloud version. Microsoft is more than aware of this and there is no way in hell they’d shoot themselves in the foot like this.
Honestly … they’ve pulled a lot of dumb shit that makes me think it’s within the realm of possibility.
Just look at how things happened with “Microsoft accounts” since Windows 7…i refuse to use a Microsoft account because there’s no way in hell I’m giving them my contact info, but also, it’s a total clusterfuck actually managing the damn thing.
Windows 8 suggested using a Microsoft account.
Windows 10 setup a Microsoft account by default. In later subversions, you can only get around it by cutting the internet connection.
Windows 11 refuses to setup at all without an internet connection; instead , it requires you to perform a hidden hacky workaround by opening cmd accessible only by keyboard shortcut, running a specific command to enable offline setup, then rebooting to finally complete it.
You really don’t think they’re stupid enough to push ahead with this cloud dogshit?
I’ve set up multiple Windows 11 machines for work with no internet connection, and zero need to use a command line. There’s a create local account prompt on the account set-up page you can just click, and set up an offline account.
Why do people keep lying about this? It’s the fourth time today I’ve seen someone parrot that lie about Windows 11.
People aren’t lying about it. When windows 11 first dropped this literally what you had to do. They may have back pedaled since then, but there are bunch of threads all over reddit about getting around using a microsoft account on windows 11.
Then people missed the local account button. I’ve installed Win 11 on 5 machines or so with no internet, and never once had to use a command prompt, or any funny business.
Installing Windows 11 on pc’s is part of my job, and I assure you, with the current version downloaded from Microsoft directly, you need to use a command prompt, or create a custom install USB stick with Rufus, to get around the requirement of creating an MS account.
There used to be a local account button in the first version when 11 came out, then it only showed up when you had no internet, now it doesn’t show up at all anymore.
I did it about a month ago, you can still find it without the command prompt. The computers are lab computers and don’t connect to the internet at all, and not once have I not had a local account option, and I’ve never entered the command prompt.
IIRC it doesn’t matter what version you have, but you need to select “English (World)” when installing, instead of “English (United States)”. After doing that you can see a button to create a local user, instead of a MS account user.
Then dunno. Tbf I never had to be connected to the internet or to connect a remote account, but maybe things have changed since last time I installed W11
The comps at work are all on Windows Home so far as I know, we’re a small lab and just get cheap home computers. Local accounts were no issue. Not sure what you mean by AD.
Yeah microsoft is unlikely to pull the rug out from under windows users in one go, their strategy is much more likely to be pushing people in the direction they want to move computing slowly and incrementally over a number of years. They appear to want everyone who plays games, does office work, runs a business, or writes code to have a microsoft account, which they can then monetize in various ways using cloud services because that will be the main way they will deliver what people need.
I feel like we are in the middle period of this strategy.
I’m sure this will play out like the office 365 subscription service. Everyone I know uses it as work. Microsoft doesn’t sell to IT people. They sell to middle management and finance departments. Ba ha ha ha.
Well they are trying to move into more of cloud on our hardware. you buy the phone, and at very high profit margin. Then pay to use the only software that can run on it
But that’s still software on the phone/laptop. The devices have online backups through iCloud but no functionality actually runs on a remote server. They sell hardware, Apple would have to change their entire business model to start selling what is basically a thin client which doesn’t seem likely.
I understand what you’re saying about being locked into iOS on an iPhone but that’s a different topic and not the same as running the device connected to the cloud
Not to mention, they’re not going to just leave you to pick your own OS in order to get to the cloud version. They’ll still provide at minimum a thin client Windows OS.
Do…do people really think Microsoft is stupid enough to kill off non-cloud based Windows? There are a lot of Windows users who, for either performance reasons, lack of reliable internet, etc. who would never get good use out of a cloud version. Microsoft is more than aware of this and there is no way in hell they’d shoot themselves in the foot like this.
Honestly … they’ve pulled a lot of dumb shit that makes me think it’s within the realm of possibility.
Just look at how things happened with “Microsoft accounts” since Windows 7…i refuse to use a Microsoft account because there’s no way in hell I’m giving them my contact info, but also, it’s a total clusterfuck actually managing the damn thing.
Windows 8 suggested using a Microsoft account.
Windows 10 setup a Microsoft account by default. In later subversions, you can only get around it by cutting the internet connection.
Windows 11 refuses to setup at all without an internet connection; instead , it requires you to perform a hidden hacky workaround by opening cmd accessible only by keyboard shortcut, running a specific command to enable offline setup, then rebooting to finally complete it.
You really don’t think they’re stupid enough to push ahead with this cloud dogshit?
I’ve set up multiple Windows 11 machines for work with no internet connection, and zero need to use a command line. There’s a create local account prompt on the account set-up page you can just click, and set up an offline account.
Why do people keep lying about this? It’s the fourth time today I’ve seen someone parrot that lie about Windows 11.
People aren’t lying about it. When windows 11 first dropped this literally what you had to do. They may have back pedaled since then, but there are bunch of threads all over reddit about getting around using a microsoft account on windows 11.
Then people missed the local account button. I’ve installed Win 11 on 5 machines or so with no internet, and never once had to use a command prompt, or any funny business.
Installing Windows 11 on pc’s is part of my job, and I assure you, with the current version downloaded from Microsoft directly, you need to use a command prompt, or create a custom install USB stick with Rufus, to get around the requirement of creating an MS account.
There used to be a local account button in the first version when 11 came out, then it only showed up when you had no internet, now it doesn’t show up at all anymore.
I did it about a month ago, you can still find it without the command prompt. The computers are lab computers and don’t connect to the internet at all, and not once have I not had a local account option, and I’ve never entered the command prompt.
Elsewhere on the thread they’re saying English world as opposed to English US offers the local account.
Maybe it only affects non enterprise editions? I assure you, I looked everywhere for an “offline account” option, it did not exist.
IIRC it doesn’t matter what version you have, but you need to select “English (World)” when installing, instead of “English (United States)”. After doing that you can see a button to create a local user, instead of a MS account user.
No shit, really? That’s a pretty shitty thing for Microsoft to do.
Maybe non enterprise. I only pirate the enterprise version and setting cloud account is actually a chore.
maybe it’s an European version
I’m in Canada.
Then dunno. Tbf I never had to be connected to the internet or to connect a remote account, but maybe things have changed since last time I installed W11
This is what the Microsoft system requirements page for Windows 11 says
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-11-specifications
I guess you were building machines with a Windows Enterprise license. This would explain why you had the option to setup an offline account.
Steps to setup a local account on Windows 11 Home https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account
It is probably Home vs. Professional. Home has no AD either.
The comps at work are all on Windows Home so far as I know, we’re a small lab and just get cheap home computers. Local accounts were no issue. Not sure what you mean by AD.
Active Directory, for joining an account in a network.
Active Directory?
Ah, I never use an active directory.
They already tried to just kill win32. Not only did it fail miserably but it’s the reason Valve started looking into Linux to begin with.
They’re too locked in themselves to kill off non-cloud.
Yeah microsoft is unlikely to pull the rug out from under windows users in one go, their strategy is much more likely to be pushing people in the direction they want to move computing slowly and incrementally over a number of years. They appear to want everyone who plays games, does office work, runs a business, or writes code to have a microsoft account, which they can then monetize in various ways using cloud services because that will be the main way they will deliver what people need.
I feel like we are in the middle period of this strategy.
I’m sure this will play out like the office 365 subscription service. Everyone I know uses it as work. Microsoft doesn’t sell to IT people. They sell to middle management and finance departments. Ba ha ha ha.
I also don’t think there’s any chance Apple would move to the cloud. They’re a hardware company…
Well they are trying to move into more of cloud on our hardware. you buy the phone, and at very high profit margin. Then pay to use the only software that can run on it
But that’s still software on the phone/laptop. The devices have online backups through iCloud but no functionality actually runs on a remote server. They sell hardware, Apple would have to change their entire business model to start selling what is basically a thin client which doesn’t seem likely.
I understand what you’re saying about being locked into iOS on an iPhone but that’s a different topic and not the same as running the device connected to the cloud
Yes it is different but it is a start. Them moving more to could services is in their plans but is doesn’t always work for everyone, or every company.
This. They might release a cloud version and work towards a future where that is the default, but realising that due future is several decades away.
Cloud only would be unworkable for say, 50% of Australians - I imagine that would be similar in most countries.
Sry, Wrong top comment.
I do actually. Not any time soon tho
Not to mention, they’re not going to just leave you to pick your own OS in order to get to the cloud version. They’ll still provide at minimum a thin client Windows OS.
Yeah…MS understands they still have a huge market in developing countries and moving everything to cloud would be suicide.