Most linux is open source, right, meaning packages of distros are also opensource. You can edit fedora packaging and build modified versions and get fedora to boot and run with runit, or s6, but to say Fedora allows choice is a lie.

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This is not facebook, smartass comments like this have no place other than the trash capitalist anti-social cannibals network. Did you not understand something in specific ask.

Any possible recipe that can have systemd/elogind in it now has it, the problem is that some who don’t have it have sources to default to systemd if not otherwise specified. This has forced users by more than 90% to use gentoo’s default recipe instead of playing with configurations all day try to compile without it.

In all my years I haven’t seen sources to say enable-openrc or sysvinit or runit or s6, it is ONLY systemd/elogind

For ages people used gentoo because it was the safe way around systemd, and gentoo leaders decided to sell them all out to IBM. People use computers for other reasons than be building software all day getting nothing else done. If you are to build a gentoo installation without IBM’s trojan you may as well create your own distro, what do you need gentoo for? To alert you of upstream updates? You can do this otherwise without gentoo, and if you are reconfiguring recipes on your own, you might as well.

Those IBM checks must be sweet, even with a “left” mask on!

Yeap, all new comers to linux should first try Gentoo, if it fails, then try LFS. After that, KISS linux should be a breeze

openshot on debian must be about 3 years behind arch

I can understand English not being your native language, and it doesn’t really matter if one doesn’t speak a language well, as long as he/she honestly makes an effort to communicate.

BUT, “imma hop to another distro” is pushing peoples patience a little too much, don’t you think?

Gentoo turned to crap ever since they decided to adopt IBM’s trojan horse, elogind, and abandon consolekit2 and seatd which are active and adequate alternatives. But IBM must be paying well the heads of some distributions so they can become their little puppets.

If using openshot is the reason to use linux, are you aware it is offered for windows 11 too?

First of all, for people on the left as the community states, the use of running datacenters and enterprise networks is minor and rare (unless you are an admin of the party or federation of unions headquarters). This means the machine has the ability to serve data to others, to the network, and to the admin collecting it. Telemetry is a way for machines to passively allow another to collect data. Any chance this can be exploited? Why have it if your intention is a sole user/admin of a single machine?

With the complexities of a self regulated system as systemd such abilities can’t be controlled or audited by a user, but look at what most users of linux have. The collaboration of all those subsystems doing such things are expanding the surface of a machine’s presence on any network to be exploited.

For non-industrial use no telemetry is needed or should be allowed. But you pick up on a detail of what the original post is aiming to state to discredit it on a technicality that is meaningless. There are hundreds of parts of a linux system where such discussion can be exploited.

The point is DO NOT let your anti-windows rhetoric blind and confuse users that this is an easy and safe alternative that provides security, privacy, and other goodies, when 99% choose windows that is just as automated and “user friendly” as windows.

You tell me if your average linux user (especially those using gnome and plasma) know where, how, and why to disable kernel modules. Whether those modules are optionally disabled, enabled, included in the kernel, or awaiting someone to trigger them. Look at forums and boards, people mess up their boot-loader or fstab and their ms-win reaction is to format the disk and reinstall something like ubuntu.

if you can collect them others may be able to as well, and if there is a way to collect one thing this is a vehicle to access other things. As Snowden says, before his activism it was conspiracy theory, but the world “did change” since then. Or did it?

For sure FOSS is night/day improvement over closed non-free binary blobs, for all we know Win 11 may be linux in drag to look like windows. But the anti-MS-win identity is too short sighted for people on the left at least. How often do you see similar behaviors among linuxers be for/against intel/amd, when in the recent and more distant past, they have both be caught red-handed from forcing backdoor systems into the market discovered long after and silenced by the corpororate press. One of them a few years ago was shortly adopted into the linux kernel before it was flushed. speck is one I readily remember. It was nsa code google suggested it is added to the kernel.

yes, you always have some dependencies, even in the lowest form of linux utilities, there is a c library usually (glibc or musl) but the dependencies needed you choose and provide and are specific. Here we have a dynamic process that draws (not always but sometimes) the latest commit from someone’s git as a dependency, and a minute later I try to build the same, someone pushes a commit replacing the previous change, and my package builds as well. The two results are not identical, one may contain a backdoor, and we didn’t even notice a difference.

When you build from glibc 2.3.4 and I build from the same, it IS the same.

not on 5.10 but most 6.xx kernel do have telemetry and very few distros disable it, if possible.

when telemetry is enabled it is not the user utilizing it but a manufacturer drawing data from the user’s machine.

https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/blob/main/config

This is a pretty vanilla standard config file with which you compile the kernel, 6.3 in the above example. Search for words as telemetry, rust, IFS … tell me what linux you use without it.

linux and unix were built on alternatives. If you don’t like a piece of code offered as a tool to do something you write something better and offer it/share it with others. So you as a user have a choice among similar tools. Even the most basic ones like gnu-utilities have busybox and other specific alternatives.

The latest trend is to have NO-ALTERNATIVES, to get everyone to use 1 core system. So instead of diverging as a system (as some of the BSD-unix projects did) linux is showing a tendency to converge into one system (fedora,debian,arch) with little differences among them.

You get corporate media publishing articles of the “top -ten” linux distributions, or “top-ten” desktops, all based on the very same edition of IBM software, no exception, as there is none. This is marketing and steering the public into a single direction. The question you should answer to yourself is why! Without somone spelling it out to you drawing the attention of 3 lettered agencies.

What is so bad about allowing a large corporation to voluntarily draw data out of your system? For one it is very much against the fundamentals and principles unix and foss were based. One the earlier days selling point for FOSS was to assure the user there was no “telemetry”. One the other extreme the public through android and mac/os have been conditioned to allow telemetry pretty much with every application they ever installed.

rust and maybe go, in a way evade what open and free code really meant (which contains the characteristic of being self contained). Many rust written software demand to the minute release of dependencies, automatically drawn and utilized while you compile the piece of software. First there is no way you can audit this then at any given moment this drawn code can change affecting what you compiled, exponentially making it difficult to audit and certify as secure. It also transfers the responsibility to 2nd and 3rd parties of what the code contains, making it legally impossible for being responsible or being accused of creating back-doors and other weaknesses in software.

But it is modern and it is being pushed everywhere. In general, when you hear buzz words and terms, and technologies, making noise and be utilized everywhere be ware of the trojan.

Facebook which had contributed 0 to the FOSS community, suddenly released zstd which they bought from someone (or so they say) and made him rich. This FOSS within months was incorporated and utilized all across the linux community on very false data supporting its superiority, like publishing comparative compression/decompression numbers of multi-thread software vs a mandated single thread on the competitor. At the end nobody really even used this optimized condition under which zstd has a tiny superiority in speed while still lacking in space (compression/decompression software).

Someone and something drives this “rush”, like gold in Columbia river advertised by tool merchants for gold diggers.

At least on the left we should have a bit more critical tendency than anti-windows fan boys clubs. The price you pay to have a usb stick automounted rw as a user automatically upon insertion is one of security and privacy. All this overhead instead of 5lines of script.

wilco intel and possibly hidden amd There is also this INTEL IFS which is pushed as “good telemetry” or telemetry you want, as a super -enterprise admin to know when to replace equipment.

https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/linux/-/blob/main/config

Many of those things didn’t exist in pre-6 editions, they have crawled up dew to pressure by manufacturers. The current 6.xx kernels are more than double of what 5.10-lts was and nearly double of 5.15-lts … Much of the firmware included is not even under production but alpha/beta versions of hardware under testing by manufacturers.

What do users commonly do? Seek to have the latest and newest published, without reading release and changelogs ever. “Continuous development and modern equipment and code are always better.”

Critical abilities are characteristics of “toxic personalities”, another capitalist buzz-word incorporated “not-critically” by the masses.

I use a 20+ y.o. Nokia I bought for 20Eu and works/looks like new I have no idea what the OS for nokia was back then, you know the one with a 9icon square menu :)

I have had an encyclopedic interest on pinephone … but I can’t yet justify the cost of one. I have 2-3 older Nokias still very functional but heavier as backups incase some decade this one refuses to boot again.