Utopia (from Ουτοπία) is an impossible Vision of the future, while Evtopia (from Ευτοπία) is the best possible Vision.

Interesting. I never heard of Evtopia, and I also did not understand Utopia as necessarily impossible. Could be possible or impossible, depends on context.

• https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/utopia
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia#Etymology_and_history

I also don’t think being unreachable is necessarily a bad thing. Consider an ‘Ideal’. Although some ideals may never be fully actualized, they are seen as something good and worth pursuing nevertheless.

But mostly, I don’t think the opinions of proponents or opponents of this idea are swayed by wether we call it Utopia or Evtopia. If anything, using the more common term makes it more relatable.

If they have any ability to post to the Fediverse or to track things they’ll do it all over again.

They have that ability, and always will have. They can create as many accounts as they like on as many instances as they like, or run as many instances as they like themselves, use incentivized individuals, or employees, or bots, or any combination of all of the above. No one can stop them, maybe even no one can spot them.

The only thing which is holding them back right now is lemmy/kbin still being too insignificant. If the network continues to grow, more and more big corps will see it as a market and an opportunity, and they will have plenty of ways to interact with it.

I always thought removable batteries were clearly a good thing, until I watched this YouTube video: Techquickie - Why Removable Batteries Are NEVER Coming Back

While acknowleding the pro side, it also gives some arguments for the con side:

• phone cases are easier to make water proof if they are not meant to be opened
• sturdier battery case for safe and easy handling makes the phone heavier and bulkier
• customers favor metal/glass phone cases, but those tend to break when frequently opened
• non-rectangular batteries allow for more compact hardware design

The video is 4 years old and I haven’t followed the topic too hard. I just found it interesting to have some fairly reasonable counter points for a nuanced discussion.

“And, as Putin said yesterday, one of the tasks was to demilitarise Ukraine. In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with.”

Ah, the subtle differences between demilitarization and upgrading to NATO standards.

If his statement had ever anything to do with reality. Probably just feel-good words directed at the domestic audience.

You’re right, situations can occur. But it’s not a permanent thing. People can make another new account on an instance which they deem suitable after they have familiarized themselves with lemmy by spending some days or weeks in it. Expecting a bloody newcomer to choose a good instance isn’t so far from random choice anyways.

Also tbh, I have little to no interactions with people from my instance. I subscribe to topics I care for regardless of where they are hosted. People like me would hardly notice they share a server with nazis, as each would flock to different communities.

Everyone who posts or comments gets automatically banned by automod, as participation is working and against community ideals.

So good :D

I think it’s foolish to point to the trends from the last week and try to draw conclusions about the future, as this is clearly an extraordinary circumstance.

Yes, for sure. Maybe we simply have different standards about truthful statements. I did not mean to imply lemmy could grow like that forever. I just pointed out that it does in a moment when you said it could not, that’s all.

We’re mostly on the same page. reddit will continue to exist (although time will tell in which state).

I got hung up on the statement “It won’t get more users if it continues to be difficult to use”, because it is evidently false, unnuanced. I still want lemmy to implement these features, as it would help growth (and mostly, the individual users) even further.

if they closed registrations on those instances, lots of the new users would end up confused, and go post on reddit that lemmy isn’t allowing new registrations.

I think anyways the registration process should be dumbed down. Simple version:

• User sees no instances or servers during registration
• When they click on ‘register’, a random instance (which allows new registrations) is chosen
• There is a small link ‘advanced options’ which allows users to see and choose instances

This would balance the load between instances and make it much easier for newcomers to join.

I realize we were talking about slightly different views. You had a scenario in mind where people try to join a specific instance (for example because someone promoted that specific instance somewhere else), I was talking about https://join-lemmy.org/

Compare it to e-mail. If you want to switch provider you have to backup and restore your emails if you want to.

When moving to another mail provider, I can forward mails going to the old address to the new one.

When moving to another lemmy account (technically creating an unconnected second one), I have no way to be notified of replies to posts or comments I made with the old account.

There are a couple other use cases where the comparison doesn’t really hold. My hopes are on Moving user profile to a new instance #1985, but it probably won’t be implemented any time soon.

if people would just stop signing up on lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, and beehaw.org, because they have the most people-

Things would go much smoother!

Somehow I trust the individual instances to self regulate. When an instance thinks it should not grow any further at the moment, it can close for new registrations, and users will naturally flock to others which are still open. I don’t see this as a responsibility of the users, and in case of users completely new to lemmy, I also don’t see how they could make a reliably informed decision.

And there is another issue related to the first one. Not exactly the same, but being able to truly move to another home instance would do it for me.

I mean …

That’s active users last month. Roughly +50% or +10k in less than a week.

So the data seems to strongly speek against it; lemmy gets more users just fine despite being so difficult.

One question is how many of those will leave again. And obviously, we should strive to make it more user friendly. I fully support your proposals. I just don’t think it’s right to paint them as a necessity for growth, they evidently aren’t.

I like what /r/pics did.

We – the so-called “landed gentry” – appreciate that Reddit is made great by its users. Uncompensated contributors populate the platform’s many communities with their content, just as volunteer moderators keep spam and bigotry at bay. Since neither we nor Reddit would be here without you, it was only fair to let you determine what /r/Pics should include… and you overwhelmingly chose to feature only images of John Oliver looking sexy. (Seriously, the final vote was -2,329 to 37,331.)

As such, /r/Pics will henceforth feature only images of John Oliver looking sexy.

It’s great, have a scroll. No intent to derail, here’s the thread on !reddit@lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.world/post/206467

I wonder if a similar stunt would have been possible for /r/antiwork. Any ideas? How about: “You must rest on weekdays. Posts and comments are only allowed on weekends.”

Interesting that it’s possible with RES. But it requires the user to copy paste some code.

A better automated approach:

PowerDeleteSuite. Smooth process, can recommend. AMA if you have troubles or questions.

Also allows you to replace posts/comments with another text, for example hints where to go instead.

If a community already exists on another instance, as an instance owner you should subscribe to that community rather than making your own. That increases resilience.

How does that increase resilience? I would say the opposite increases resilience, multiple communities for the same topic on different instances. Putting all your eggs in one basket is not resilient, it puts everyone on the whim of the admins of that instance.

I don’t care about how beehive views Lemmy world as I can access still both as I am from an entirely different instance :)

It impacts you still if you subscribe to beehaw.org communities. Their defederation means lots of other users cannot participate in these communities anymore. So there is less activity for you, even if you belong to neither the defederating nor the defederated instance.

Why would I join an instance about music

Maybe the user feels music is an important part of their identity and likes the idea to call a music instance their home. Or any other reason, doesn’t have to have any reason, especially not a reason which is compelling to others.

to end up subscribing to communities that have nothing to do with music?

Maybe the same user still has other interests besides music and likes to follow those.

Or in summary: Why not? It’s possible.

For different people, different criteria will influence their choice of home instance. Some may even choose to have several home instances. Other factors might be uptime, latency, defederation status, size, local communities, rules, …

For most people, it does not matter much what their home instance is, which is just another possible explanation for registering on a music instance and subscribing to remote, non-music communities. Like how you can register to Microsoft services with a Gmail address.

That’s fine, they can try? Just as anyone else can have different goals and pursue them.

I really like this openness of the fediverse in arguments like these. We don’t have to agree, it’s alright.

Oh, good point. Yes, probably? We can not simply assume search engines know that all of these point to the same content:

• https://slrpnk.net/c/technology
• https://feddit.de/c/technology@slrpnk.net
• https://sopuli.xyz/c/technology@slrpnk.net
• https://beehaw.org/c/technology@slrpnk.net

Or even worse, due to defederation, they may not all point to the exact same content.

Without further investment either from lemmy or the search engine’s side, they are probably seen as distinct sources, not aggregated. Which makes each individually less relevant and less likely to show up .

Also note none of the adresses above contain ‘lemmy’. How would users search for content on lemmy in these cases? Can’t do “technology site:lemmy”, or?

But I can say, lemmy content is visible. Haven’t seen it on the first page of ecosia yet, but on page 2 or 3.