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You can multi-select regular tabs to add them to a collection, but not private ones. And even if you did add each private tabs to a collection one at a time, the “open tabs” option only opens them as regular tabs, not private ones.

Instead of private tabs, have you considered

  • using the “delete browsing data on quit” option in Firefox, or
  • downloading a second browser like Mull with that option enabled for your “private tabs” instead of Firefox?

Pretty much any email masking tool that gives you more than 5 domains for free, especially considering several do this for free (Addy, DDG, Ironvest).


Good for Mozilla owning up to two bugs and already reversing one. Sometimes accidents happen.


Have you tried a fresh Firefox profile to make sure this is a browser issue and not a configuration mistake?


I’m not the person you asked, but one big standout feature for me is tab groups. It’s a little tedious compared to the Google Chrome implementation, but it works.


AI insights, screenshot here.

It’s probably feeding the page or selection context into, if their other behavior is any indicator, ChatGPT on your behalf. (And when Mozilla tried to push that on developers, they hated it.)

I’ve looked through the Mozilla blog post about the sidebar, but for some reason they don’t mention it, including when people ask.

Mozilla has been obsessed with AI. Between all their investments and their purchase of a trend-chasing AdTech company, FakeSpot.

On a post by the FakeSpot founder about AI:

We must wake up to this revolution, this Enlightenment v2 of our times. It will require ingenuity, novel approaches and risk calculations with a pioneering spirit. We will need to work together on new protocols, foundational elements and beyond; innovations and standards that that will be used for generations to come. Let’s meet these challenges head-on, together, ensuring that the future of AI benefits all of humanity.

According to a semi-hidden post by the same guy, FakeSpot was also trying to get into NFT shilling:

As crypto enthusiasts and web3 believers, we… brought our Fakespot model and mission in protecting consumers into the NFT world.

And before all that? Figuring out how to scrape data better.

Ah Mozilla.


I have so many bookmarks that Firefox punishes me for it on mobile devices – by making folder organization as tedious as possible, and not showing tags at all.


I was just curious because I’m pretty sure Sidebery is used in their implementation of a sidebar, in a not-so-under-the-hood way.


Floorp is just using Side View? I didn’t realize.


It’s a valiant effort to allow functionality for window tiling, but like the name suggests it’s for arranging things on a screen. It can’t really facilitate two windows behalf as if they’re one window split in two.


As an independently developed tool, I bet it already exists.

I don’t think things would be purpose built to allow it in Firefox, or the line between backup/restore and synchronization would start to blur, and that opens a whole new world of problems.


Not everybody has a compositor that allows you to un-maximize, minimize, restore, move and resize two windows adjacent to each other simultaneously.

Which one supports this on Windows and Linux?



For one thing, you don’t have to struggle with a shrunken top toolbar.

There’s a good reason a significant and increasing number of browsers (including Floorp, a Firefox fork) and other applications include view-splitting within them.

There’s a reason Mozilla made Side View for Firefox.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/side-view/


I’m just glad they’ve kept all twelve themes. “Classic Firefox” is older than “Artist Voices,” and the latter was discontinued a while ago on the desktop.


That’s interesting. I’ve been a Firefox Beta holdout, thinking about adopting Fennec as my daily driver, but I understand the value of sticking to the browser that receives the most timely security updates.

The biggest downside is, it looks like the modifications aren’t intended for the mobile app, but they apparently partially work. But in a good way:

using the base user.js on Firefox Android only improves speed and battery life, which is great because telemetry can be very battery hungry.


It looks like this has been in the desktop browser since 92 (released in 2021) but a new addition to Firefox 120 and beyond. But it’s a staged release so not everybody is going to see this “experiment” at once.

You can’t Betterfox your mobile Firefox, can you? Thank goodness for decent mobile browser forks…


Fennec and Mull both exist… Mull is closer to LibreWolf and more likely to break sites, and Fennec is slightly less so.


If you want to tell me I don’t have the right to critique the browser, be upfront and simply say it.

And tell me exactly how you expect people to contribute before we earn the right. Especially considering Mozilla does not allow donations to go to Firefox development, and the CEO is badly overpaid.


I recently downloaded Firefox Nightly and noticed some **new settings that were enabled by default**: > * Suggestions from Firefox Nightly Get suggestions from the web related to your search > * Suggestions from sponsors Support Firefox Nightly with occasional sponsored suggestions > > [Learn more about Firefox Suggest](https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-suggestions-firefox) The link in the UI doesn't mention sponsorships anywhere. But [this page does](https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox_suggest_mobile#w_who-are-mozillas-partners-for-sponsored-suggestions): > Who are Mozilla’s partners for sponsored suggestions? > >We partner with organizations to serve up some of these suggestion types... For sponsored results, we primarily work with adMarketplace, while also providing non-sponsored results from Wikipedia. This page links to the [adMarketplace Privacy Policy](https://www.admarketplace.com/privacy-policy) which makes it pretty clear **this company is okay with collecting your IP address and passing it to further unnamed entities**. Elsewhere, they say Firefox sends them "the number of times Firefox suggests or displays specific content and your clicks on that content, as well as basic data about your interactions with Firefox Suggest", and then will share interaction information "in an aggregate manner with our partners". ----------------- Update: Switched the link from the Desktop to the Mobile version. Added more quotes from FF, and bolded info about their one named AdTech partner.
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The tab could have some other useful things… If Mozilla allowed some form of customization or extensibility. Big clock, weather, and the stuff they have right now (icons) are pretty useful too.

There’s a reason UI/UX people design these things, and one day I’ll figure out what it is.



The “just updated” page boasts Firefox is much faster now (which is great) but I still think the greatest change is Firefox View.

Which was not the best when it came out, but is now the perfect place to stop for so many reasons.


Now all I want is APIs for extensions to create modular New Tab Page sections… Or would that be a major security hazard


Private, for-profit, and let’s not forget antagonistic to the GDPR.


If you can use Google through SearX, isn’t Startpage redundant? IIRC they don’t ever claim to do anything but proxy Google results.


I updated my comment to remove name and email. But I maintain the stuff after “user agent” isn’t redundant because part of it is your IP address and another part is your location, neither of which appear to be included in your browser user agent string.


You’re probably wondering why I say “your full IP address” versus “partial IP address”; you quote the policy correctly but you missed a separate but crucial section in the privacy policy:

In addition, for security purposes and reliability of our partner’s services (detection of spam, automated activity, fraudulent clicks on advertisements …), Qwant may also collect and transfer to this partner [Microsoft Ireland] your full IP address.

The transfer happens separately from searches, sure, but if two requests get sent to Microsoft at the same time and with the same parsable information (the full IP address from the security query can be used to link a partial IP address and city-level location from a search query) then it seems like Qwant is giving Microsoft the ability, even if unintentionally, to link IP address and search.

I do not know much about DuckDuckGo, but from an initial read the privacy policy is much more vague than Qwant’s, not mentioning any specific information that is shared. As they are a US company, they are also not covered by the general data protection regulation.

I agree and I’ll add a disclaimer or something. DuckDuckGo says this:

In order for our product to function, we share anonymous browser and device information with our hosting and content providers for security and display purposes (for example, that you’re using a mobile device )*


Mozilla has diversified… By jumping into AI.

  • Spent $65-265 million on AI that we know of
  • Bought an AI company for an undisclosed sum and funded more AI research for unknown amounts
  • Brought AI to Kenya (in a move strangely reminiscent of cryptocurrency companies trying to fix the “unranked” problem

And shuttering previous diversification products and laying off staff.



What tracker links?

DuckDuckGo’s policy is much less specific but makes it a point that they aren’t sending your exact IP address to Microsoft or anybody else for any reason. Among other, IMO even better policies.

we share anonymous browser and device information with our hosting and content providers for security and display purposes (for example, that you’re using a mobile device), but we never share any information with them that could tie your searches or website visits to you personally, or that could allow them to create a history of your individual search queries or the sites you browse.


That’s because it gives a whole lot more data to Microsoft than DDG does.


Mozilla didn’t choose privacy. Qwant sends you IP address to Microsoft when you search on their platform. If you want a more responsible search engine, DuckDuckGo is still the way to go.

Update 3: DuckDuckGo also sends along more information than I originally noticed, including “anonymous browser and device information with our hosting and content providers for security and display purposes (for example, that you’re using a mobile device)”

The information collected by Qwant includes

  • hash of the IP address
  • User Agent
  • market segment of a request
  • date and time of the visit
  • information of the country and the chosen language
  • search keywords
  • where a user came from
  • type of device used
  • source of visit
  • operating system
  • major browser version

Qwant may (will) transfer to Microsoft:

  • your full IP address
  • Information about the browser you are using (the User Agent
  • The first three bytes of your IP address;
  • The approximate geographic area at the origin of the search, at the scale of a region or city;
  • The hash generated from your IP address and User Agent

Update 2: removing name and email as that’s only for optional account creation

Update 1: Qwant wants you to disable your ad blocker


Reading through the current Qwant privacy policy certainly doesn’t alleviate any privacy concerns either…

Mozilla keeps building/buying, then abandoning things. I’m not sure if they’re cut out for that project, and in my experience a SearX instance’s effectiveness is mostly based on whether there are enough users for the data to be obfuscated, but so few that it doesn’t get rate limited…


They’re probably trying to mention @Firefox@mozilla.social but there’s no such account on that server.

On my server, if I type “@Firefox” it pops up this community as a suggestion


Mozilla is part political advocacy group. This is part of the Mozilla Manifesto Pledge for a Healthy Internet:

We are committed to an internet that elevates critical thinking, reasoned argument, shared knowledge, and verifiable facts.

BTW, if you donate to Mozilla, your money goes to this.
Not Firefox development.
This.

Ironic because Mozilla subsidiaries break several of their principles now. Thanks to FakeSpot alone:

  • They now sell user data to advertisers (Principle 4)
  • They are using that data to build a price-checker into their browser that biases sites of its choosing (Principle 5)
  • The selected sites are the biggest hubs of centralized commerce in the US (Principle 6)
  • Nobody in the community was consulted about this or even requested it (Principle 8)

Mozilla didn’t hear you, and they’re adding a shopping addon instead. Thanks to buying a company that trafficks in private data, which is now an official Mozilla subsidiary.

That’s right, Mozilla is now an adtech company.

At least Pocket is “universal” – it works on every site. The shopping extension only works on the three biggest commerce websites within one country.


Let’s not get too hasty praising Mozilla… After all, they’ve had a thriving private data sale branch since 2023…

Source: https://www.fakespot.com/privacy-policy


Ethos is crucial to code recommendations.

If Mozilla included a virus in Firefox, I wouldn’t be suggesting bugfixes to make the virus more user friendly. I would point to the general ethos to not build viruses into their software.

And because Mozilla promises an open Web where you make the choices, hardcoding an addon that promotes the three biggest retailers and a handful of paying advertisers is antithetical to that ethos too.


So you have no issue with the validity of my complaint?

  • Mozilla overpays their CEO
  • Mozilla has repeatedly screwed over employees
  • Chasing shiny things isn’t helping them
  • Mozilla is screwing over their users privacy

You just want to argue pedantics? No thank you


I actually hid it after thinking it wasn’t very good, but that was several versions ago (with a different icon). Thanks for pointing that out, and I updated my comment!

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-set-tab-pickup-firefox-view


Firefox’s new FakeSpot integration: the privacy problems
Today, when I navigated to amazon\.com on Firefox for Android, [I received a jarring message](https://i.imgur.com/fp2pigl.png) that I could "try" a new service, [Fakespot](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/mozilla-acquires-review-checking-scammer-spotting-service-fakespot-for-firefox), on the app. Fakespot is littered with privacy issues. Among other things, FakeSpot/Mozilla was forced to admit: "[**We sell** and share **your personal information**](https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/138lqzt/thanks_to_the_state_of_california_mozillas_new)" [Fakespot's privacy policy](https://www.fakespot.com/privacy-policy) allows them to collect and sell: * Your email address * Your IP address * Account IDs * A list of things you purchased and considered purchasing * Your precise location (which will be sent to advertising partners) * Data about you publicly available on the web * Your curated profile (which will also be sent to advertising providers) **Right before Mozilla acquired them, Fakespot updated their privacy policy to allow transfer of private data to any company that acquired them.** (Previous Privacy Policy [here](http://web.archive.org/web/20230127032213/https://www.fakespot.com/privacy-policy). Search "merge" in both.) People donate to Mozilla because they believe in the company's stated goals. Why were the donations put into an acquisition of a company with this kind of privacy policy? And why has Mozilla focused on bundling it as bloat into their browser? Now that [Brave is in hot water for becoming bloated](https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/20/23925192/brave-browser-vpn-windows-11), Mozilla should buck the trend, not follow it.
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Today, when I navigated to amazon\.com on Firefox for Android, [I received a jarring message](https://i.imgur.com/fp2pigl.png) that I could "try" a new service, Fakespot, on the app. What's Fakespot? A "[review-checking, scammer-spotting service for Firefox](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/mozilla-acquires-review-checking-scammer-spotting-service-fakespot-for-firefox/)." Among other things, FakeSpot/Mozilla was forced to admit: "[**We sell** and share **your personal information**](https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/138lqzt/thanks_to_the_state_of_california_mozillas_new)" [Fakespot's privacy policy](https://www.fakespot.com/privacy-policy) allows them to collect and sell: * Your email address * Your IP address * Account IDs * A list of things you purchased and considered purchasing * Your precise location (which will be sent to advertising partners) * Data about you publicly available on the web * Your curated profile (which will also be sent to advertising providers) **Right before Mozilla acquired them, Fakespot updated their privacy policy to allow transfer of private data to any company that acquired them.** (Previous Privacy Policy [here](http://web.archive.org/web/20230127032213/https://www.fakespot.com/privacy-policy). Search "merge" in both.) Who asked for this? Who demanded integration into Firefox, since it was already a (relatively unpopular) browser extension people could have used instead?
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