By the end of Trump’s term, China may also have better civil rights than the US.

Liberals really do think Wikipedia is The Holy Scripture

So you agree with Elon?

That’s ironic.

If you weren’t a shit lib jabroni intent on knee jerk defending a system that does literally nothing for you unless you own capital

So you fail to understand how basic investment works, but you criticize Capitalism copy-pasting ideological statements.

Ok.

The Middle Ages were a long period with a lot of variety

omg just shut the fuck up you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about

Sure, if you say so.

The US, which has an incarceration rate roughly 5x that of China and the single largest prison population in the world, is notably absent from your authoritarian examples (other than blaming it on Trump of course lmao)

That’s because the US is not an authoritarian regime: there can be regular elections, there is freedom of speech, separation of powers, etc. It’s true that it’s far from being perfect https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-states/freedom-world/2024

Now please don’t reply that it’s a single-party state with two options. It’s an old joke, it has some truth in it, but it’s just a joke.

You must be amazing at parties 😂

jason hickel talks a lot about actual medieval living standards

tell him to fix the Wikipedia then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_1315–1317

Capitalism hasn’t done shit for you you brainwashed piece of shit

And how do you know that? I’m curious.

in the medieval age when everyone was starving?

Mao has a great quote about how if you don’t investigate something, you have no right to speak. Basically “shut up you stupid fucker” and statements like this are what it was for.

That’s cool. Do you imply that starvation was uncommon in the medieval age?

How many times are you going to say “bye” before you actually fuck off?

Mate, you’re the one running away because you can’t deal with people having different beliefs to you

pick one

Don’t put words that are not mine in my mouth.

Society is constantly evolving with huge differences even noticeable in a lifespan. It means that obviously 100+ years ago, something unacceptable for modern standards was the norm. It also means that it’s ridiculous to bring up events of 100+ years ago to criticize the modern world.

To make an example: 80 years ago Europe was literally bombing Germany and Italy and their nazi-fascist regimes, but just a couple of decades later they were forming an alliance that eventually led to the EU. Even if today there are still nazi-fascist movements in the EU, and neo-fascist parties are even leading countries, one must be blinded by ideology to deny that there was an improvement. Improvement does not imply perfection.

Trump is a step back and I find his term horrifying. However, even in Trump’s America, even with all the regressions in terms of civil rights, even with the changes to shift even more money towards billionaires, even with what ICE is doing, even with all of that, it remains a country where the vast majority lives a better life than in the large part of the present and past world. Failing to acknowledge that in the name of pure ideology is simply nonsensical. “US = authoritarian regime” or “they exploit the south” may have some truth in it, but it’s such an extreme position to be unreasonable and, frankly, childish. It works only here, in a bubble in a corner of internet where everyone reinforce each other’s ideas and violently reject any different opinion.

Don’t suffocate in your bubble.

Saved in the life hack folder.

This is ridiculous. There was no hesitation to intervene with weapons, troops, and sanctions in other conflicts in defense of the attacked, but with Israel nobody goes beyond words.

The west is authoritarian

Ok, bye.

Sadists always existed and always will. I’m more concerned by the democratic system that is vulnerable to stupidity and wealth.

It’s not what the meme says, nor the apparent general opinion here.

The meme says that Capitalism did not exists for 99% of history (save for the fact that apparently UK was a capitalistic society in 1500s according to some) and that the world was better without it, failing to acknowledge that besides the many defects, Capitalism also brought prosperity to a large portion of humanity (which according to some here is a bad thing since exploitations still exist somewhere), and that it was partially adopted also in ex Communist countries.

Oh, and apparently any western country is an Authoritarian regime, and China is the best country for the improvement of life quality (no mentions for dissidents, but the US is surely much worse).

This is basically the summary of the whole thread. I haven’t heard so much ideology since the high school.

It happened to me at work and it was a very bad period. Even if it ended well for me, no forgiveness.

In every society (even animal) the leaders tend to have a better life than the rest. However, I would argue that also the nobility of the past was subject to all sorts of “inconveniences” that would be unthinkable today.

Contextualising to the discussion, I find quite ridiculous to “forget” that Capitalism brought more prosperity than any system before it, or to focus on the exploitations of minorities as if they weren’t the norm for the majority in the past.

It’s probably wrong to assume that the general public will be sensitive enough to privacy to force companies to compete on that terrain.

But it’s a fascinating topic and I hope to see it in practice at some point.