I counted and it’s accurate

I prefer admitting it than lying like you do

Being deported sucks, but it’s nowhere as bad as going to prison heh, but there sure is an increase of those shitty repressions all over the world currently

Social credit is real in some areas of China

I’ll just stop because that’s cringe. I’ve lost enough time already

Those feelings are based on facts.

The great firewall, Hong Kong, censorship against other regimes and countries, Taiwan, social credit… fucking WeChat!?

Your comment only implied that it did not happen in China.

I still feel like it’s worse there. It happens everywhere sure, but not as much. Fuck their shitty firewall and fuck surveillance.

I’ll just stop here because we’re getting nowhere. You’re saying it happens everywhere, I agree, but feel like it happens more in China for example.

that feeling that you have regarding repression from countries like china is only a feeling; not reality.

Even though we have many instances where this happened? And people dissapeared in Hong Kong? Come on, you must be joking.

USA sucks as well. As far as I’m concerned, it is not a democratic country that supports freedom of speech and I’ll never go there.

USA is a bit similar to china on this subject

Oh I know why, I just don’t have the data to confirm this and frankly, I don’t want to. I’ve heard enough to confirm this general feeling. People that have no interest in lying about this, getting sent in jail for minor things, or just seeing what the governments of these countries are saying, lying in plain sight.

You’re taking the USA as an example, and we all know the current situation is really fucking bad and not comparable to other western countries.

Your “freedom” to “speech” and “democracy” are constrained within a clearly drawn boundary, the boundary of which is drawn by the ruling class.

Sure, it is, but my point is that it’s less restricted.

Notice how a Westerner does not risk anything by truly believing in and expressing things like “china censorship bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum and need to be wiped off the map these russian orcs need to be wiped off the planet”, but a non-Westerner risks absolutely everything by even slightly hinting at a criticism towards Western imperialism/wanting better conditions at the cost of the ruling class, perhaps even in their own damn fucking country

That’s just a massive lie. It doesn’t work this way, unless maybe you’re in a far-right wing country like the USA rn. I’m in France and we have a lot of far-left people, communists and stuff, none of them are in jail. Saying such things as “bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum and need to be wiped off the map these russian orcs need to be wiped off the planet” would clearly get you in trouble, especially the “bad arabs/muslims are dirty terrorist scum” because it can’t be argued that you were only talking about soldiers etc…

Any other country outside the West engaging in censorship is either a) a dog of the West or b) protecting itself from fully succumbing into being a dog of the West.

Yea sure, it’s only “you’re with, or against us”. No in-between. haha

I’ll just stop here because there’s no point in this discussion and I feel like I’m just talking to a tankie, member of lemmygrad and hexbear, that hopped on its alt account.

Okay, have a good day

Instead of being mean and changing subjects, do you have anything interesting to add?

One of the sources, or just get the sources quoted in wikipedia and use them. Ofc you’re supposed to check on multiple sources, but using wikipedia isn’t bad.

Not sure what you have against it.

For sure, that’s why I passed then.

Stop talking nonsense please.

I’m not insulting 🤔 just joking with the fact that French speakers and English don’t really go well together

I was convinced something happened way before this, but for the number of deaths, yes, that was my source.

jlai.lu moment :D 🇫🇷

We got it. They’re avoiding to answer or acknowledge your comment.

Wikipedia is a community-driven encyclopedia based on sources. All claims include a source.

What do you want more?

Those articles being on a controversial topic, have been moderated and are pretty well done in my opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre - Death toll section

I believe I checked the numbers at the French page some time ago, and based on the diversity of reports and their background, I personally believed that it was around 500. I do get that people can estimate a bit more or a bit less though.