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  • Encrypt-Keeper@lemmy.worldtoPrivacy@lemmy.ml"Trusted" eMail Providers?
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    1 month ago

    You’ve failed to explain yourself properly or make any coherent point or provide any evidence of your baseless claims.

    You clearly don’t understand how payment processing works, but since I do I will tell you that yes, there’s a big difference between an ephemeral VPN service that doesn’t need to tie any long term data to your account, and an email service that has to secure and maintain your data for you over a long period of time. These are two wildly different service models and There is in fact a requirement to hold onto payment data in this case. This is why all of Protons competitors do the same thing.

    Your technological ignorance and naïveté to the world is not an indictment of Proton. And since you still after all of this time haven’t make a single coherent argument against proton or provided any proof to any of your claims, I’ll have to call it here.


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    They market on privacy and fail to deliver as I keep pointing out.

    You haven’t pointed out a single way they’ve failed to deliver. They deliver on all of their marketing promises, and I have yet to see any proof to the contrary. You saying they failed over and over again is not proof.

    "We do not retain full credit card details, we only save your name and the last 4 digits of the credit card number. " -Proton

    So Proton is keeping only the bare minimum amount of information necessary? Sounds like something a company keen on privacy would do lol.

    I am not a fan of any corporation, but to illustrate a point Mullvad VPN does not store this information on their servers at all.

    Mullvad is a VPN service, they don’t provide private email services like Proton. Mullvad doesn’t need to keep any metadata because you’re not paying them to maintain or store your data. It is a transit system for your data, not a destination. You’re comparing apples and oranges.

    The actual comparison you’d have to make is with other private email providers like Tutanota or Fastmail, both of which store the same payment metadata as ProtonMail, because they have to.

    If you are going to pay for privacy, you should expect excellence. Not exactly what state law allows.

    When I pay for privacy, I expect to receive privacy, and preferably the most privacy, and that’s what ProtonMail delivers quite successfully. Moreso than its competitors in fact, because I also understand that paying for a commercial service means that service is subject to the laws where the service resides, and Tutanota is in Germany, and Fastmail is in Australia/US.

    Have you found any proof for your claims yet? You’ve had plenty of time now. If you can’t provide anything with your next comment I’ll be forced to determine that you just don’t have any, and that your only aim was to spread misinformation from the start.


  • I don’t like how they market to privacy when they do shit like store your credit card meta data on their server.

    Did they market to not storing metadata? Of course not, they can’t lol. Neither can any of the other privacy focus email providers lol.

    Other companies have solved this privacy problem

    Have they though? Do you have any proof of this? If they’re taking credit card information, they are required to keep the same metadata. Not doing so would stop them from being able to process credit cards at all. You don’t know the first thing about the payment industry clearly lol.

    They have already transitioned from famous to infamous for the amount of times they have failed their users

    They have not. I can’t find one verifiable instance where they failed their users.

    Security theatre is just that. Proton is just cashing in on the concept of security when they are aware that their own practices along with the industry at large prevents it.

    They deliver on privacy and security in every way they feasibly can, and in fact all the ways they advertise. Do you have any proof to the contrary? You still have provided none.

    Are you at any point going to provide an example of this so-called security theater, or any way that they’ve broken any promises, or failed their users? Or are you just going to keep yapping in a circle about nothing without providing any proof?


  • Proton uses privacy as a selling point and they deliver on it by providing you with a private email service.

    If you would like to assert that they’ve broken some kind of promise they made to you in regards to privacy, then yes, you have to provide some sort of proof of that claim. If you believe that you don’t, it’s you that appears impossibly dumb I fear.

    If you have a point to make about their marketing practices, then make it. If you can’t articulate a single problem you have with Proton then you’re just yapping and can be safely ignored.