I guess I missed that you’re intentionally avoiding places with waiters/servers. That’s what I had in mind. I’ve visited plenty of places that don’t have a tip jar out or activate the tipping feature on the credit card machine. I don’t really consider them making progress away from the wild tipping culture we currently have. They just haven’t fallen into the ridiculous yet. I get what you’re saying now.

Ultimately, nothing’s going to change unless something changes on the state or federal level. My state tried instituting a minimum wage that included waiters, but restaurants put up such a stink that the waiter part got reversed. “We’ll have to raise our prices!” Yeah no shit, but then we won’t pay tip. It theoretically should wash out in the end.