…did you read this whole thing? Or just take the numbers and run with it?
Overall, residents who are more educated are less likely to say the collapse harmed their country and more likely to say it benefited them. Kyrgyzstan is the exception.
Residents who say that “most people” in their country are afraid to openly express their political views are more likely to say that the collapse harmed their country than those who say that “no one” is afraid. This suggests the freedom they thought they might have after the fall of the Soviet Union has not materialized – and in some cases, the situation may be even worse. Under the strict regime in Tajikistan, for example, 61% of those who say most people are afraid also say the breakup hurt their country, compared with 35% of those who say no one is afraid.
Also:
Overall, residents who see opportunities for their children and themselves to succeed are more likely to say the breakup benefited their country than those who do not. Thirty percent of residents of these former republics who say children in their country have the opportunity to learn and grow say their country benefited, compared with 18% who do not think children have this opportunity. And in all countries, residents who say people in their countries can get ahead through hard work are twice as likely to say their country benefited (29%) than those who do not think they can get ahead (17%)
How is any of this proof that these countries should return to communism? It sounds like education, freedom of political expression and those who see opportunity in themselves and their children are all factors in people turning their backs to communism.
residents in seven out of 11 countries that were part of the union are more likely to believe its collapse harmed their countries than benefited them
I just quoted literally verbatim what the pollers said. You can deep dive looking for cope all you want but the fact remains that people see the change to capitalism as making their countries worse. If you want to get more upset you can read my other longer comment.
I did go back and go through what you posted. At the end of the article about Hungary. There’s a “read more” link, which expands the article to include this:
However, these findings do not mean Hungarians are rejecting democratic values. In fact, as the survey illustrates, they are more likely than other former Eastern bloc publics to say it is very important to live in a country with democratic rights and institutions. But few believe Hungary currently has these democratic freedoms.
However, when reviewing these gloomy findings about the state of democracy in Hungary, it is worth remembering that they do not mean Hungarians are abandoning democratic values. To the contrary, Hungarians continue to want democratic rights and institutions — in fact, they place a higher premium on these things than their post-communist neighbors. When asked to rate the importance of six key features of democracy, Hungarians stand out for their strong embrace of democratic values.
The challenge for Hungary is that, while most Hungarians want democratic values and institutions, few think they have them. For instance, 70% think it is very important to live in a country with honest multiparty elections, but only 17% believe this describes Hungary very well. Taking the median percentage saying these values are very important in each country and comparing it with the median percentage saying these values describe their country very well gives us an overall “democracy gap” for each country. The gap is large throughout Eastern Europe, but is widest in Hungary — evidence that Hungarians, who once pioneered the transition away from communism, are not turning their backs on democracy. Instead, they are frustrated by the fact that democracy has yet to fully flourish in their country.
So they absolutely aren’t saying they want to return to communism. Like, at all. They’re just frustrated that joining the EU isn’t the democratic form of governance they were hopping for, and are dissatisfied with that.
…are you just ignoring what I just wrote above? Lol. They don’t correlate with greater support for communism. The numbers don’t mean they want to go back to communism, they mean they want more democracy.
They want more democratic results that represent the people. Something they had under communism, and something that no liberal democracy actually provides. In a bourgeoise-democracy you get a choice between multiple parties none of which represent the people. In a proletarian-democracy you get proletarian results. Such is the nature of dictatorships of class.
You seem to be outright lying (to yourself, perhaps?) In the face of evidence against your claims. Communism only provides “more democratic results that represent the people” in a utopian setting, of which Hungary under communism certainly did not. The artical outright states that the people behind the dissatisfaction numbers believe they don’t have a democracy, which makes so much sense now that u/maynarkh has explained that the very same elite under under communist rule solidified themselves into Hungary’s new government. Jesus. No wonder they’re unsatisfied.
Listen, I know it’s no fun to have your beliefs shaken, heaven knows that’s happened to me a few times and it sucks. But instead of digging your heels in and trying to twist the words of the articles you linked that you honestly believed backed up your claims, either find ones that actually do, or drop this one, cause anyone with a brain can figure out it actually doesnt.
I don’t have the sources for that specific graph but I do have this one showing 7 out of 11 former soviet countries saying it: https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
…did you read this whole thing? Or just take the numbers and run with it?
Also:
How is any of this proof that these countries should return to communism? It sounds like education, freedom of political expression and those who see opportunity in themselves and their children are all factors in people turning their backs to communism.
I just quoted literally verbatim what the pollers said. You can deep dive looking for cope all you want but the fact remains that people see the change to capitalism as making their countries worse. If you want to get more upset you can read my other longer comment.
I’m not upset. :)
I did go back and go through what you posted. At the end of the article about Hungary. There’s a “read more” link, which expands the article to include this:
So they absolutely aren’t saying they want to return to communism. Like, at all. They’re just frustrated that joining the EU isn’t the democratic form of governance they were hopping for, and are dissatisfied with that.
Weird how the people that lived under communism correlate with greater support for communism isn’t it? (sarcasm)
Completely goes against the point being made by this meme.
…are you just ignoring what I just wrote above? Lol. They don’t correlate with greater support for communism. The numbers don’t mean they want to go back to communism, they mean they want more democracy.
They want more democratic results that represent the people. Something they had under communism, and something that no liberal democracy actually provides. In a bourgeoise-democracy you get a choice between multiple parties none of which represent the people. In a proletarian-democracy you get proletarian results. Such is the nature of dictatorships of class.
Except the current Hungarian elite and the previous elite are the same people.
lol no they’re not
Wow, I wasn’t aware of this! That’s wild, no wonder there’s so much dissatisfaction!
You seem to be outright lying (to yourself, perhaps?) In the face of evidence against your claims. Communism only provides “more democratic results that represent the people” in a utopian setting, of which Hungary under communism certainly did not. The artical outright states that the people behind the dissatisfaction numbers believe they don’t have a democracy, which makes so much sense now that u/maynarkh has explained that the very same elite under under communist rule solidified themselves into Hungary’s new government. Jesus. No wonder they’re unsatisfied.
Listen, I know it’s no fun to have your beliefs shaken, heaven knows that’s happened to me a few times and it sucks. But instead of digging your heels in and trying to twist the words of the articles you linked that you honestly believed backed up your claims, either find ones that actually do, or drop this one, cause anyone with a brain can figure out it actually doesnt.
I haven’t told a single lie or engaged dishonestly with anyone. You can jog on if you think I’m reading past that sentence.