To Palestinians, Gaza is a symbol of resistance. To Israel, Gaza is a template to pummel and isolate that resistance.
To Palestinians, Gaza is a symbol of resistance. To Israel, Gaza is a template to pummel and isolate that resistance.
On June 19, Israeli combat helicopters fired missiles into the camp, ostensibly as part of an arrest operation that ended up killing five Palestinians, including a 15-year-old girl named Sadeel Naghniyeh.
Then in early July, in the worst attack on the West Bank since 2002, the Israeli armed forces terrorised the inhabitants of Jenin for two days and killed at least 12 people, including children. The massive aerial and ground assault involved helicopter gunships, missiles, drones, armoured vehicles, bulldozers and more than 1,000 Israeli soldiers.
That is what happens, it seems, when Palestinians keep rebuilding – and keep existing. Indeed, Al Jazeera quoted 56-year-old camp resident Ahmed Abu Hweileh on the takeaway from the bloody escapade: “The message to the world and the occupation is that this camp will keep on going. They tried to destroy it and it came back up.”
Israel’s recent comportment in Jenin – and particularly the sudden use of air strikes in the West Bank for the first time in years – has invited comparisons to the Israeli modus operandi in the Gaza Strip, another location that has come to symbolise Palestinian resistance.
Terrorism is the only possible way to deal with a violent oppressor. If you were on their side you’d be calling them guerrilla warriors. Remember in what kind of glowing coverage the US media used to talk about mujahideen?
Not what I’m saying, fam. My point is that if you are the far less powerful side in an armed conflict your only real strategy is terrorism/guerrilla warfare. This is also the case in violent oppressions.
However, that doesn’t even slightly imply anything about how often terrorism is justified or about if terrorists are “the good guys”.
Is this sarcasm? You’re saying if they stopped fighting back against invaders who want to take their land they…would have land? If only they’d give up their land, they’d have land? Do I have that right? I hope I’m just misreading this.
As if it’s been anything but that, ever in it’s existence? The PA is Gaza, Fatah is Gaza, Hamas is Fatah, there is no discernible difference between any Palestinian group whatsoever, as an identifiable discernable difference would mean one is more willing to work towards a lasting responsible peace with Israel than the other, and no Palestinian group, faction, camp, or town has ever honestly worked towards one, ever.
Play silly shell games for another 70 years, it’s cool, the Jews can wait. And defend themselves.
It’s impressive the level of ignorance in this post. Palestinians have put forth multiple peace proposals and the Israeli government has turned them down without any counter offer. Abbas offered to permanently give up Jerusalem and Right of Return in exchange for just a meeting with Netanyahu on peace talks and was turned down. Netanyahu does not WANT a credible peace partner, which is why he jails Palestinian politicians and undermines the moderates, so he can create a fait accompli.
Arabs are from Arabia, Jews are from Judea. Hope that helps. And if it doesn’t we really couldn’t give a shit, if it’s not one thing with you people, it’s another, we’re pretty used to it by now. And we aren’t going anywhere.
You say that as if it’s a bad thing, Jews in their own land, willing and able to defend themselves against the Arab colonizers, who could live in peace if they chose to, or you know, fuck off back to Arabia, which is their own land, at anytime, but choose not to.
…in their own land, which sadly had a terrible infestation of people living there. Hmm yeah, the rational course of action is clearly to eradicate them.
Notably, Qatar does not consider the Hamas a terrorist organization. Hamas leaders are based in Qatar.
I am well aware that Al Jazeera is generally considered unbiased, but the conflict of interest is very obvious when it comes to coverage of Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Then why does the Israeli government still allow interviews with Al Jazeera reporters? And Qatar is not openly hostile to Israel; it condemns Israel’s human rights abuses but still offers full diplomatic and economic ties with them in exchange for a two state solution (what the U.S. also claims to back) but the rightwing Netanyahu government refused the deal.
Sorry, but if Qatar openly supports a terrorist organization which opposes Israel, I don’t see how they could possibly be said to not be openly hostile to Israel.
And I don’t see why the Israeli government should limit interviews with foreign press, regardless of origin?
Edit: Maybe “openly hostile” is too harsh, I’m not a native English speaker.
That’s dramatically oversimplifying to the point of being wrong. Hamas has agreed to a Two State solution with Israel and has done so for years. So has Qatar. I wouldn’t call Qatar openly hostile to Israel, same way the Israeli government supports people who are openly hostile to Arabs but Israel is not openly hostile to Qatar.
The Israeli government limits interviews with foreign press all the time, and bans certain Lebanese TV channels for being too supportive of or linked to Hizbullah, but they are okay with interviews with Al Jazeera.
I know that you have a stereotype in your head about Hamas that facts won’t penetrate, but Hamas has publicly agreed that a two state solution is the best they’ll get. They call it “a divorce” from the Jews. Hamas has held up their end of ceasefire deals and Israel has been the one to usually break them.
Maybe you should focus on the Israeli extremists who won’t allow a two state solution.
Oh, I don’t think I will. The days when all the narratives in the west glorified Israel is long gone (I know, because I am old enough to remember them) and they are never coming back. World opinion on Israel has shifted decisively… the US is the last hold-out, and even that is looking pretty wonky these days.
Besides… snorting copium is something only right-wingers do.
Anyone with a heart and half a brain should be openly hostile to Israel as it currently operates.
I get what you’re saying and I think we should be mindful where we get our news from, but then being against Israel isn’t enough to discredit their coverage, especially since they’re on the right side on history of this one - meaning they don’t need to make anything up to make Israel look bad. They would be downright stupid to lie, even if they were nothing but Qatari state propagandists.
And anyone with a full rain can recognize that Palestine is 100% in the wrong for repeatedly starting wars and refusing every peaceful solution simply because they hate jews.
You know what, idgaf if they’re right or wrong about Israel.
I do care that they actively support terrorism, and provide shelter for the leaders of a globally recognized terror organization. Anyone with a heart and half a brain should be openly hostile to Qatar, and see that the news network it operates will clearly be biased about the topic.
If I said a US news network was biased for some reason, I don’t think people would have argued with me nearly as hard. Why do you defend supporters of terrorism?
…every country actively supports terrorism when it’s on their self interest. The self-proclaimed free world has organised coups in democratic countries, propped up terrorist groups when they didn’t like the current leadership of countries, invaded sovereign states on false premises and assassinated democratically elected leaders.
Terrorism is a form of violence to achieve a goal. If you’re in favour of it you call them freedom fighters, mujahideen, guerrilla warriors or whatever else. If you want to vilify them you call them terrorists. Truth is, both are spins of a given situation, in line with the interests and/or biases of whatever person or entity is informing you.
The western world agrees that ideologically motivated violence is okay (see: our foreign policy record), but tries to act shocked when it’s ideologically motivated violence they disagree with. It’s ridiculous.
Also: Israel terrorises Palestinians. If you want to be offended at terrorism, you should be against Israel.
Actually, to be fair, because it might matter for future reference. If someone doesn’t “know about” Al Jazeera, but they see this piece and get an impression of journalistic integrity… it tells them almost nothing at all about whether or not they can be “trusted” in other areas of their reporting.
This person shared a simple fact that helps address this for people clearly, and without bias. Because there’s literally no way that this isn’t relevant to their reporting - or what they choose to report on - for literally any issue or area at all.
Doesn’t matter at all if it’s directly relevant to this post or not - and I don’t know international politics well enough to say that it doesn’t matter here, actually, do you?
Haven’t you heard? Politics is anything that diverges from the current status quo. Anything in line with it, on the other hand, is cool and good and apolitical.
I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.
The historical context being the white moderates defined themselves as neutral but they actively worked to prevent any anti-racism changes.
There is no Center in politics. Only disguised right-wingers.
so OP’s probably a leftist (like far left, not Democrat) and probably a Marxist; assume when leftists say “liberal” they mean “capitalist” or “status quo”
so they’re saying that the person they’re replying to thinks that the status quo narrative is somehow apolitical, and thinks that that’s not only flagrantly incorrect and self-absorbed but proving that people like that guy think that their beliefs are just how the world is instead of like actual beliefs that people hold on how the world ought to work (politics)
The US defines itself as a “Liberal Democracy” therefore any American Narrative must be called Liberal Narrative and not any other term. Those are merely attempts to decouple American propaganda from America itself.
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Judging by the pro-fash bootlickers infesting this post it sure looks like Israel’s shill farms have wasted no time slithering onto Lemmy.
Honestly you’d think they’d have better arguments.
Somehow Israel is a genocidal imperialist government driven by blood and soil nationalism, and it’s supposed to get a pass for…handwavy reasons…
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/04/middleeast/israel-west-bank-jenin-raids-tuesday-intl-hnk/index.html
Terrorism is the only possible way to deal with a violent oppressor. If you were on their side you’d be calling them guerrilla warriors. Remember in what kind of glowing coverage the US media used to talk about mujahideen?
Lmao the fact that you think the terrorists are victims shows your utter disregard for the actual facts.
Not what I’m saying, fam. My point is that if you are the far less powerful side in an armed conflict your only real strategy is terrorism/guerrilla warfare. This is also the case in violent oppressions.
However, that doesn’t even slightly imply anything about how often terrorism is justified or about if terrorists are “the good guys”.
I’ll let you in on a tiny secret: if the plastinians weren’t violent they would’ve already have a county (shhh)
wow, this leaves a bad taste
Antisemitic terrorists tend to do that
Riiiiiight… and if Jewish people would just have stopped being Jewish the nazis would have given them a cozy homeland in Bavaria, right?
LPT: if the truth isn’t on your side, just boldly lie.
The strategy of every pro-hama troll on here today it seems
Is this sarcasm? You’re saying if they stopped fighting back against invaders who want to take their land they…would have land? If only they’d give up their land, they’d have land? Do I have that right? I hope I’m just misreading this.
How is Israel in the wrong when it has been Palestine refusing solutions and starting wars at every turn?
Innocents were only wounded, good work everyone!
So it’s only a War No-No, then?
im so glad you left reddit to be a zionist here XD
Evil naZi propaganda
As if it’s been anything but that, ever in it’s existence? The PA is Gaza, Fatah is Gaza, Hamas is Fatah, there is no discernible difference between any Palestinian group whatsoever, as an identifiable discernable difference would mean one is more willing to work towards a lasting responsible peace with Israel than the other, and no Palestinian group, faction, camp, or town has ever honestly worked towards one, ever.
Play silly shell games for another 70 years, it’s cool, the Jews can wait. And defend themselves.
It’s impressive the level of ignorance in this post. Palestinians have put forth multiple peace proposals and the Israeli government has turned them down without any counter offer. Abbas offered to permanently give up Jerusalem and Right of Return in exchange for just a meeting with Netanyahu on peace talks and was turned down. Netanyahu does not WANT a credible peace partner, which is why he jails Palestinian politicians and undermines the moderates, so he can create a fait accompli.
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It was never their land. They refused to accept every peaceful solution and attacked Israel.
Arabs are from Arabia, Jews are from Judea. Hope that helps. And if it doesn’t we really couldn’t give a shit, if it’s not one thing with you people, it’s another, we’re pretty used to it by now. And we aren’t going anywhere.
Literally blood and soil nationalism.
you bet your ass it is
Huh I wonder what would discourage them from working together with Israel. Must just be one of those things I guess.
You mean Palestine doesn’t work together with Israel because they keep getting invaded and having their rights violated?
Are you a tankie? /s
Found the zionist
You say that as if it’s a bad thing, Jews in their own land, willing and able to defend themselves against the Arab colonizers, who could live in peace if they chose to, or you know, fuck off back to Arabia, which is their own land, at anytime, but choose not to.
…in their own land, which sadly had a terrible infestation of people living there. Hmm yeah, the rational course of action is clearly to eradicate them.
It is.
The bigger problem is that Israel is a violent apartheid state, lol
Backed up by a wannabe theocracy ruled by the NRA.
Al Jazeera is owned by the Qatari government.
Al Jazeera has been given many awards for fair and (relatively) unbiased journalism. Notably, many of the journalists at Al Jazeera are not Qatari.
What do corrupt awards given by a corrupt industry prove?
Qatar is openly hostile to Israel.
Notably, Qatar does not consider the Hamas a terrorist organization. Hamas leaders are based in Qatar.
I am well aware that Al Jazeera is generally considered unbiased, but the conflict of interest is very obvious when it comes to coverage of Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Then why does the Israeli government still allow interviews with Al Jazeera reporters? And Qatar is not openly hostile to Israel; it condemns Israel’s human rights abuses but still offers full diplomatic and economic ties with them in exchange for a two state solution (what the U.S. also claims to back) but the rightwing Netanyahu government refused the deal.
Sorry, but if Qatar openly supports a terrorist organization which opposes Israel, I don’t see how they could possibly be said to not be openly hostile to Israel.
And I don’t see why the Israeli government should limit interviews with foreign press, regardless of origin?
Edit: Maybe “openly hostile” is too harsh, I’m not a native English speaker.
That’s dramatically oversimplifying to the point of being wrong. Hamas has agreed to a Two State solution with Israel and has done so for years. So has Qatar. I wouldn’t call Qatar openly hostile to Israel, same way the Israeli government supports people who are openly hostile to Arabs but Israel is not openly hostile to Qatar.
The Israeli government limits interviews with foreign press all the time, and bans certain Lebanese TV channels for being too supportive of or linked to Hizbullah, but they are okay with interviews with Al Jazeera.
Al Jazeera is also banned in Israel.
And you’re delusional if you think Hamas will agree to a two state solution.
I know that you have a stereotype in your head about Hamas that facts won’t penetrate, but Hamas has publicly agreed that a two state solution is the best they’ll get. They call it “a divorce” from the Jews. Hamas has held up their end of ceasefire deals and Israel has been the one to usually break them.
Maybe you should focus on the Israeli extremists who won’t allow a two state solution.
So is anyone with a fully-functional brain. What is your point?
Lmao. Cope and seethe, terrorist sympathizer
Oh, I don’t think I will. The days when all the narratives in the west glorified Israel is long gone (I know, because I am old enough to remember them) and they are never coming back. World opinion on Israel has shifted decisively… the US is the last hold-out, and even that is looking pretty wonky these days.
Besides… snorting copium is something only right-wingers do.
That its national news agency will be biased against Israel?
Anyone with a fully-functional brain should be able to realize this.
Notice that I never, in any comment, showed support for Israel.
then just cross-reference it with more articles that aren’t as biased?
like all news is biased, that’s why you’re not supposed to just read one source about a thing
Hiding your pro-fascist tendencies under a paper-thin “concerns over objectivity” will only work on liberals.
Fascists deserve to burn.
You don’t know shit about me.
You can stop running interference for them any time you feel like.
Anyone with a heart and half a brain should be openly hostile to Israel as it currently operates.
I get what you’re saying and I think we should be mindful where we get our news from, but then being against Israel isn’t enough to discredit their coverage, especially since they’re on the right side on history of this one - meaning they don’t need to make anything up to make Israel look bad. They would be downright stupid to lie, even if they were nothing but Qatari state propagandists.
And anyone with a full rain can recognize that Palestine is 100% in the wrong for repeatedly starting wars and refusing every peaceful solution simply because they hate jews.
Go troll somewhere else
You know what, idgaf if they’re right or wrong about Israel.
I do care that they actively support terrorism, and provide shelter for the leaders of a globally recognized terror organization. Anyone with a heart and half a brain should be openly hostile to Qatar, and see that the news network it operates will clearly be biased about the topic.
If I said a US news network was biased for some reason, I don’t think people would have argued with me nearly as hard. Why do you defend supporters of terrorism?
…every country actively supports terrorism when it’s on their self interest. The self-proclaimed free world has organised coups in democratic countries, propped up terrorist groups when they didn’t like the current leadership of countries, invaded sovereign states on false premises and assassinated democratically elected leaders.
Terrorism is a form of violence to achieve a goal. If you’re in favour of it you call them freedom fighters, mujahideen, guerrilla warriors or whatever else. If you want to vilify them you call them terrorists. Truth is, both are spins of a given situation, in line with the interests and/or biases of whatever person or entity is informing you.
The western world agrees that ideologically motivated violence is okay (see: our foreign policy record), but tries to act shocked when it’s ideologically motivated violence they disagree with. It’s ridiculous.
Also: Israel terrorises Palestinians. If you want to be offended at terrorism, you should be against Israel.
Yes, we all know what Israel is.
Of course it is. Israel is a terrorist state.
Qatar literally provides shelter to the leaders of the Hamas, a globally recognized terrorist organization.
Have these same people who classify Hamas as a “globally recognized terrorist organization” classified Israel as a terrorist state?
No?
Then their “classifications” isn’t worth shit, is it now?
You know what, I kinda agree with you, these “classifications” really aren’t worth shit most of the time.
But I don’t need anybody else to tell me that the Hamas is a terrorist organization - just read their fucking charter.
Hmmm… do you think Israel regrets funding Hamas, then?
I hate to break it to you, Clyde… but Hamas is the lesser evil here. And Israel only has itself to blame for that.
Should I link US controlled media then? To further spread the liberal narrative?
I don’t feel like arguing politics.
But don’t put words in my mouth - I’m not American and in my country media isn’t controlled by the state.
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Actually, to be fair, because it might matter for future reference. If someone doesn’t “know about” Al Jazeera, but they see this piece and get an impression of journalistic integrity… it tells them almost nothing at all about whether or not they can be “trusted” in other areas of their reporting.
This person shared a simple fact that helps address this for people clearly, and without bias. Because there’s literally no way that this isn’t relevant to their reporting - or what they choose to report on - for literally any issue or area at all.
Doesn’t matter at all if it’s directly relevant to this post or not - and I don’t know international politics well enough to say that it doesn’t matter here, actually, do you?
I stated a fact. Some people might not be aware of it, that is all.
Liberal narrative is not politics. 😀
Haven’t you heard? Politics is anything that diverges from the current status quo. Anything in line with it, on the other hand, is cool and good and apolitical.
Reminds me of this quote by Martin Luther King
The historical context being the white moderates defined themselves as neutral but they actively worked to prevent any anti-racism changes.
There is no Center in politics. Only disguised right-wingers.
“Centrism” is the wet spot left over when liberals and conservatives fuck.
Whatever man you know nothing about me or my politics.
I only stated a fact to make people more informed and you started attacking me; maybe you’re the asshole here?
Do you read your facts in New York Times, Fox News or Rand?
Do you deny that Al Jazeera is owned by Qatar?
Do you mean libertarian?
so OP’s probably a leftist (like far left, not Democrat) and probably a Marxist; assume when leftists say “liberal” they mean “capitalist” or “status quo”
so they’re saying that the person they’re replying to thinks that the status quo narrative is somehow apolitical, and thinks that that’s not only flagrantly incorrect and self-absorbed but proving that people like that guy think that their beliefs are just how the world is instead of like actual beliefs that people hold on how the world ought to work (politics)
The US defines itself as a “Liberal Democracy” therefore any American Narrative must be called Liberal Narrative and not any other term. Those are merely attempts to decouple American propaganda from America itself.
You’re an idiot then…
I’m not American, I don’t like what America is doing, I don’t think America has made many good decisions (as a country) in over half a century.
But keep telling me what I believe in.
I don’t think he knows what he means.